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[article] Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
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The Bishop
2005-09-13 10:49:49 UTC
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September 13, 2005

Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges

Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.

The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.

In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.

A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.

Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.

In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.

Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.

Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
Citizen
2005-09-14 00:44:23 UTC
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Muslims do not have anything against dogs; a police report should be
made against Madam Zuraimah for stirring up a racist non-issue.

Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl is a devout Muslim and world renown Islamic
Scholar and Author, and this is what he has to say on the subject in an
article in Newsweek:.

"Take that matter of dogs, for instance. To the literalists, the
prohibition against dogs as pets is clearly delineated in one of the
hadiths, the traditional accounts of the life and sayings of the
prophet Mohammed. In their view, the hadiths and the Koran
unambiguously set forth the laws of sharia. But as Abou El Fadl points
out, determining which of the tens of thousands of hadiths are
authoritative requires both knowledge and critical analysis. One must
evaluate the reliability of the sources and assess how consistent the
hadiths are with the moral vision of the God who speaks in and through
the Koran. In the case of the dog hadith, Abou El Fadl found it hard to
believe that the same God who created such companionable creatures
would have his prophet declare them "unclean."
Investigating the sources, he discovered that the hadith in question
not only derived from an unreliable chain of sources but reflected
views far more consistent with pre-Islamic Arab customs and attitudes.
What's more, he says, he found that a hadith from one of the most
trustworthy sources tells how the Prophet himself had prayed in the
presence of his playfully cavorting dogs."
Post by The Bishop
September 13, 2005
Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.
The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.
In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.
A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.
Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.
In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.
Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.
Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
ardeedee
2005-09-14 01:05:40 UTC
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Certain sects of the Muslim religion insist that touching dogs noses and
saliva is haram and hence steer clear of dogs - and some sects can even
allow liquor consumption - the Muslim religion is not homogenous.
Post by Citizen
Muslims do not have anything against dogs; a police report should be
made against Madam Zuraimah for stirring up a racist non-issue.
Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl is a devout Muslim and world renown Islamic
Scholar and Author, and this is what he has to say on the subject in an
article in Newsweek:.
"Take that matter of dogs, for instance. To the literalists, the
prohibition against dogs as pets is clearly delineated in one of the
hadiths, the traditional accounts of the life and sayings of the
prophet Mohammed. In their view, the hadiths and the Koran
unambiguously set forth the laws of sharia. But as Abou El Fadl points
out, determining which of the tens of thousands of hadiths are
authoritative requires both knowledge and critical analysis. One must
evaluate the reliability of the sources and assess how consistent the
hadiths are with the moral vision of the God who speaks in and through
the Koran. In the case of the dog hadith, Abou El Fadl found it hard to
believe that the same God who created such companionable creatures
would have his prophet declare them "unclean."
Investigating the sources, he discovered that the hadith in question
not only derived from an unreliable chain of sources but reflected
views far more consistent with pre-Islamic Arab customs and attitudes.
What's more, he says, he found that a hadith from one of the most
trustworthy sources tells how the Prophet himself had prayed in the
presence of his playfully cavorting dogs."
Post by The Bishop
September 13, 2005
Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.
The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.
In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.
A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.
Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.
In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.
Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.
Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
Chloe Ask
2005-09-14 01:58:26 UTC
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Very true.
Madam Zuraimah is not representative of the average Singapore Muslim.
Her letter to the Straits Times Forum, a national daily with over
100,000 multi-racial readers, should be construed as inflammatory, and
subject to examination under the Sedition Act. At risk is the
delicate fabric of Singapore society, which our political leaders have
sacrificed much to build upon.
Dr. Dre (PhD)
2005-09-14 02:51:48 UTC
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I want to jump onto the bandwagon and start using the word /Seditious/
in an effort to make myself cool.
Post by Chloe Ask
Very true.
Madam Zuraimah is not representative of the average Singapore Muslim.
Her letter to the Straits Times Forum, a national daily with over
100,000 multi-racial readers, should be construed as inflammatory, and
subject to examination under the Sedition Act. At risk is the
delicate fabric of Singapore society, which our political leaders have
sacrificed much to build upon.
Mr Magoo
2005-09-14 02:09:42 UTC
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Post by ardeedee
Certain sects of the Muslim religion insist that touching dogs noses and
saliva is haram and hence steer clear of dogs - and some sects can even
allow liquor consumption - the Muslim religion is not homogenous.
Touching off dog is not haram. As hence it is not a sin to do that. You
just need to clean up yourself throughly if you want to pray (with the
method describe for all najis under Mukhalazah category). This is the
misconception some Muslim is having. However, Liquor consumption is
haram and it is a sin. Oh.. forgot eating dog is haram. :)

Rgds,

Mr Magoo
lobert
2005-09-14 13:57:41 UTC
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Post by Mr Magoo
Post by ardeedee
Certain sects of the Muslim religion insist that touching dogs noses and
saliva is haram and hence steer clear of dogs - and some sects can even
allow liquor consumption - the Muslim religion is not homogenous.
Touching off dog is not haram. As hence it is not a sin to do that. You
just need to clean up yourself throughly if you want to pray (with the
method describe for all najis under Mukhalazah category). This is the
misconception some Muslim is having. However, Liquor consumption is
haram and it is a sin. Oh.. forgot eating dog is haram. :)
how about eating duck, frog, stone crab?
ardeedee
2005-09-14 14:45:06 UTC
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Not all sects treat dogs or touching of their mucus and noses haram - some
sects even allow drinking of liquor and eating anything.
Post by lobert
Post by Mr Magoo
Post by ardeedee
Certain sects of the Muslim religion insist that touching dogs noses and
saliva is haram and hence steer clear of dogs - and some sects can even
allow liquor consumption - the Muslim religion is not homogenous.
Touching off dog is not haram. As hence it is not a sin to do that. You
just need to clean up yourself throughly if you want to pray (with the
method describe for all najis under Mukhalazah category). This is the
misconception some Muslim is having. However, Liquor consumption is
haram and it is a sin. Oh.. forgot eating dog is haram. :)
how about eating duck, frog, stone crab?
Observer
2005-09-14 22:20:59 UTC
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Post by ardeedee
Not all sects treat dogs or touching of their mucus and noses haram - some
sects even allow drinking of liquor and eating anything.
Kah..kah...kah..
arsedeedee now trying to pass himself
as an Islamic expert after failing to fool people here
in his attempts to be a scientist, psychologist,
Chinese doctor...etc

PHONEY....
LOL.
Post by ardeedee
Post by lobert
Post by Mr Magoo
Post by ardeedee
Certain sects of the Muslim religion insist that touching dogs noses and
saliva is haram and hence steer clear of dogs - and some sects can even
allow liquor consumption - the Muslim religion is not homogenous.
Touching off dog is not haram. As hence it is not a sin to do that. You
just need to clean up yourself throughly if you want to pray (with the
method describe for all najis under Mukhalazah category). This is the
misconception some Muslim is having. However, Liquor consumption is
haram and it is a sin. Oh.. forgot eating dog is haram. :)
how about eating duck, frog, stone crab?
ardeedee
2005-09-15 02:41:55 UTC
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yOU LAUGH AT YOUR OWN IGNORANCE - KAKAK-phoney - PROVES YOUR EDUCATION IS
VERY RESTRICTED - KAKAK-phoney.
Post by Observer
Post by ardeedee
Not all sects treat dogs or touching of their mucus and noses haram - some
sects even allow drinking of liquor and eating anything.
Kah..kah...kah..
arsedeedee now trying to pass himself
as an Islamic expert after failing to fool people here
in his attempts to be a scientist, psychologist,
Chinese doctor...etc
PHONEY....
LOL.
Post by ardeedee
Post by lobert
Post by Mr Magoo
Post by ardeedee
Certain sects of the Muslim religion insist that touching dogs noses
and
Post by ardeedee
Post by lobert
Post by Mr Magoo
Post by ardeedee
saliva is haram and hence steer clear of dogs - and some sects can
even
Post by ardeedee
Post by lobert
Post by Mr Magoo
Post by ardeedee
allow liquor consumption - the Muslim religion is not homogenous.
Touching off dog is not haram. As hence it is not a sin to do that.
You
Post by ardeedee
Post by lobert
Post by Mr Magoo
just need to clean up yourself throughly if you want to pray (with the
method describe for all najis under Mukhalazah category). This is the
misconception some Muslim is having. However, Liquor consumption is
haram and it is a sin. Oh.. forgot eating dog is haram. :)
how about eating duck, frog, stone crab?
Dr. Dre (PhD)
2005-09-14 03:07:19 UTC
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I enjoy Martini - shaken, not stirred.
Post by Citizen
Muslims do not have anything against dogs; a police report should be
made against Madam Zuraimah for stirring up a racist non-issue.
Johnny Wang
2005-09-14 03:18:37 UTC
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Religion should not be the issue at the first place. It should be hygiene.
It may not seem dirty to dog lovers but they have to seriously put in some
consideration for those who does not own pets. Just imagine yourself board
a taxi and sit on something wet and sticky. I'm sure anybody will feel
disgusted.
Post by Citizen
Muslims do not have anything against dogs; a police report should be
made against Madam Zuraimah for stirring up a racist non-issue.
Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl is a devout Muslim and world renown Islamic
Scholar and Author, and this is what he has to say on the subject in an
article in Newsweek:.
"Take that matter of dogs, for instance. To the literalists, the
prohibition against dogs as pets is clearly delineated in one of the
hadiths, the traditional accounts of the life and sayings of the
prophet Mohammed. In their view, the hadiths and the Koran
unambiguously set forth the laws of sharia. But as Abou El Fadl points
out, determining which of the tens of thousands of hadiths are
authoritative requires both knowledge and critical analysis. One must
evaluate the reliability of the sources and assess how consistent the
hadiths are with the moral vision of the God who speaks in and through
the Koran. In the case of the dog hadith, Abou El Fadl found it hard to
believe that the same God who created such companionable creatures
would have his prophet declare them "unclean."
Investigating the sources, he discovered that the hadith in question
not only derived from an unreliable chain of sources but reflected
views far more consistent with pre-Islamic Arab customs and attitudes.
What's more, he says, he found that a hadith from one of the most
trustworthy sources tells how the Prophet himself had prayed in the
presence of his playfully cavorting dogs."
Post by The Bishop
September 13, 2005
Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.
The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.
In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.
A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.
Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.
In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.
Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.
Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
WalkingDead
2005-09-14 03:54:07 UTC
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Strongly agree. That's why dogs are not allowed in SMRT, restaruants,
shops, office complex, etc. When dog owners say they are bringing
their dogs out for a walk, what they mean is that the dogs need to
relieve their bowels, and on someone else's property no less. But this
Zuraimah woman was thinking of herself only, and not on behalf of all
Singaporeans. That's why she needs to be hauled up in a police station
and explain why she had to bring religion into a simple thing like a
taxi ride.
Dr. Dre (PhD)
2005-09-14 04:21:41 UTC
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Blame the media for the publicity. All they care about is money and not
the harmonious well being of our beloved country. We love you Singapore.
Post by WalkingDead
Strongly agree. That's why dogs are not allowed in SMRT, restaruants,
shops, office complex, etc. When dog owners say they are bringing
their dogs out for a walk, what they mean is that the dogs need to
relieve their bowels, and on someone else's property no less. But this
Zuraimah woman was thinking of herself only, and not on behalf of all
Singaporeans. That's why she needs to be hauled up in a police station
and explain why she had to bring religion into a simple thing like a
taxi ride.
Dr. Dre (PhD)
2005-09-14 03:59:29 UTC
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You are violating copyright laws.
Post by The Bishop
September 13, 2005
Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.
The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.
In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.
A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.
Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.
In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.
Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.
Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
The Bishop
2005-09-14 10:02:35 UTC
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:59:29 +0800, "Dr. Dre (PhD)"
Post by Dr. Dre (PhD)
You are violating copyright laws.
Which one of the 2 charged are you ..... ?
Post by Dr. Dre (PhD)
Post by The Bishop
September 13, 2005
Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.
The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.
In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.
A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.
Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.
In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.
Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.
Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
Prof. Gig
2005-09-14 10:19:21 UTC
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Post by The Bishop
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:59:29 +0800, "Dr. Dre (PhD)"
Post by Dr. Dre (PhD)
You are violating copyright laws.
Which one of the 2 charged are you ..... ?
Don't hate me cos I'm smart.
The Bishop
2005-09-14 11:06:29 UTC
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Post by Prof. Gig
Post by The Bishop
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:59:29 +0800, "Dr. Dre (PhD)"
Post by Dr. Dre (PhD)
You are violating copyright laws.
Which one of the 2 charged are you ..... ?
Don't hate me cos I'm smart.
You went thru all these trouble just to tell everyone you are smart.
That makes you really inefficient .....
Prof. Gig
2005-09-14 11:11:24 UTC
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Post by The Bishop
Post by Prof. Gig
Post by The Bishop
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:59:29 +0800, "Dr. Dre (PhD)"
Post by Dr. Dre (PhD)
You are violating copyright laws.
Which one of the 2 charged are you ..... ?
Don't hate me cos I'm smart.
You went thru all these trouble just to tell everyone you are smart.
That makes you really inefficient .....
It's not troublesome.
Der Zählmeister
2005-09-14 15:21:02 UTC
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...
Post by The Bishop
You went thru all these trouble just to tell everyone you are smart.
That makes you really inefficient .....
not necessary. may be a script bot. must do Turing test on him ... er
... i mean it.
Tan Kok Beng
2005-09-17 01:05:20 UTC
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wah, like dat oso cannot meh?
Post by The Bishop
September 13, 2005
Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.
The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.
In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.
A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.
Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.
In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.
Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.
Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
The Bishop
2005-09-17 04:02:32 UTC
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Post by Tan Kok Beng
wah, like dat oso cannot meh?
can, no choice, have to, must .....
Post by Tan Kok Beng
Post by The Bishop
September 13, 2005
Dog lovers' Internet remarks earn Singaporean sedition charges
Two men in Singapore have been charged with sedition, and face jail
terms for making anti-Muslim remarks on the Internet.
The case was triggered when a local Muslim woman complained about
uncaged dogs travelling in Singapore taxis, and leaving behind drool
and dirt.
In a letter to the editor of the Straits Times newspaper, she pointed
out that contact with dog saliva is prohibited for many Muslims.
A 25-year-old Chinese man responded with allegedly anti-Muslim remarks
on a dog lovers' website.
Police say a second man who works at a dog kennel made an
expletive-filled posting about the Muslim woman on his personal
website.
In Singapore, political and religious Internet content is closely
monitored.
Ever since race riots in the 1960s, the local authorities have
regarded racial harmony as a fundamental social principle.
Under the Sedition Act, both men face a maximum penalty of three years
jail and a fine.
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