Discussion:
PAP is an ELECTED government
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zipper
2004-07-05 18:05:38 UTC
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You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad, did
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?

Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Turtle Soup
2004-07-06 07:42:57 UTC
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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:05:38 GMT, "zipper" <***@nospam.com> wrote:

You are correct the whinners and bitcher are sewer rats and deserved it!
You reap what you sow!
Post by zipper
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 03:43:43 UTC
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How about sewer rat cook in turtle soup?
Post by Turtle Soup
You are correct the whinners and bitcher are sewer rats and deserved it!
You reap what you sow!
Post by zipper
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
DGPSC
2004-07-05 23:27:38 UTC
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Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or protests in
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad, did
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
zipper
2004-07-05 23:52:49 UTC
Permalink
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a cowardly
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people will
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".

If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your mouth
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.

Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he was in
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or protests in
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 01:21:29 UTC
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Why do you need to go on "protest" on the street illegally and get yourself
into trouble if you could just join the alternative parties legally to prove
your point? ;)

You make no sense at all.


Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a cowardly
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people will
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your mouth
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he was in
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 01:56:09 UTC
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Alternative party provides no alternative.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Why do you need to go on "protest" on the street illegally and get yourself
into trouble if you could just join the alternative parties legally to prove
your point? ;)
You make no sense at all.
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your mouth
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he
was
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury,
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 02:11:48 UTC
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masturbate expert without testicles provide no sex
your wife don't want to have sex with you even you pay her.
Post by ardeedee
Alternative party provides no alternative.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Why do you need to go on "protest" on the street illegally and get
yourself
Post by Goh Meng Seng
into trouble if you could just join the alternative parties legally to
prove
Post by Goh Meng Seng
your point? ;)
You make no sense at all.
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your
mouth
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he
was
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah
Piow,
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury,
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
deserved it.
news.new
2004-07-06 10:43:05 UTC
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You are right. All they want is to get some power. After they have internal
problem. Some even join other party etc.
Post by ardeedee
Alternative party provides no alternative.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Why do you need to go on "protest" on the street illegally and get
yourself
Post by Goh Meng Seng
into trouble if you could just join the alternative parties legally to
prove
Post by Goh Meng Seng
your point? ;)
You make no sense at all.
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your
mouth
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he
was
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah
Piow,
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury,
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
deserved it.
DoCoMo
2004-07-06 02:17:39 UTC
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Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward.
If you are so brave, you dick-keeper, post your photo, fullname and
home address here. Let the sewer rats identify you. If you don't do
that, then you are a bigger coward.
Post by zipper
You are just nothing but a cowardly rat bitching all day long
rats don't bitch. they gnaw at your conscience.
Post by zipper
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he was in
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong
Your place is already booked for enernity - a furnished penthouse in
HELL, complete with branding iron and vats full of sulphuric acid.
DGPSC
2004-07-06 02:50:16 UTC
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Duhhh....
Many on this newsgroup is joining me in condeming the PAPy org. Can't you
read you running dog of MIWs?
Why go and expose myself in peril of jail (and wouldn;t running dogs like
yourself be happy that I should land in jail) when I can drum up mass
support on this newsgroup against the ills of the PAPy org?
Go and read more books, esp on the Art of War. LOL.
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a cowardly
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people will
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your mouth
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he was in
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
zipper
2004-07-06 03:15:09 UTC
Permalink
Many on this newsgroup who joined you should do everyone a favour and start
or join an opposition party. I would like to see how many is "many". Of
course..druming up "massive" support. The bottom line is, you are just a
coward who will never dare stand up to your "evil" power-abusing PAP you
alleged so much that Singapore is suffering.

Just go back to your arm chair and keep typing...anyway, you have all the
time in the world. Better still, go back to your drain.
Post by DGPSC
Duhhh....
Many on this newsgroup is joining me in condeming the PAPy org. Can't you
read you running dog of MIWs?
Why go and expose myself in peril of jail (and wouldn;t running dogs like
yourself be happy that I should land in jail) when I can drum up mass
support on this newsgroup against the ills of the PAPy org?
Go and read more books, esp on the Art of War. LOL.
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your mouth
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he
was
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury,
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
DGPSC
2004-07-06 05:37:49 UTC
Permalink
Goooodddd. Get frustrated, you running dog from the PAPy org.... LOL
You can dare me anything. You can wish me anything. But you ain't gonna shut
me and many up in this newsgroup. Your PAPy masters have tried and tried
with threats, proxy servers, and illegal and unethical scanning of internet
users in SInkapore.... all nuthing but a bad name for your PAPy org to show
the world....LOL LOL
Post by zipper
Many on this newsgroup who joined you should do everyone a favour and start
or join an opposition party. I would like to see how many is "many". Of
course..druming up "massive" support. The bottom line is, you are just a
coward who will never dare stand up to your "evil" power-abusing PAP you
alleged so much that Singapore is suffering.
Just go back to your arm chair and keep typing...anyway, you have all the
time in the world. Better still, go back to your drain.
Post by DGPSC
Duhhh....
Many on this newsgroup is joining me in condeming the PAPy org. Can't you
read you running dog of MIWs?
Why go and expose myself in peril of jail (and wouldn;t running dogs like
yourself be happy that I should land in jail) when I can drum up mass
support on this newsgroup against the ills of the PAPy org?
Go and read more books, esp on the Art of War. LOL.
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your
mouth
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he
was
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah
Piow,
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury,
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by zipper
of
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
deserved it.
Fire
2004-07-06 10:24:55 UTC
Permalink
When comments are make against certain PAP policies,this does not mean that
they are supporting the Opposition Party and going against the ruling party.
when certain policies is introduce into the public,only valuable feedback
from them enable to fine tune the system.
By hearing and changes that's how we can move on together as a nation.
We cannot penalize those that disagreed and brand them as Opposition
supporters.
Singapore belong to all Singaporean , each and everyone got the
responsibility to hold own flag flying high.
Men introduce policies may not know how another man run it , man running it
may not know how the people receiving them.If everyone keep quite just
because being afraid branded as Opposition , how can a nation move together
without any suspicions.
Of cause most of us only likes to hear positive comments , everything's
"GOOD".
Post by zipper
Many on this newsgroup who joined you should do everyone a favour and start
or join an opposition party. I would like to see how many is "many". Of
course..druming up "massive" support. The bottom line is, you are just a
coward who will never dare stand up to your "evil" power-abusing PAP you
alleged so much that Singapore is suffering.
Just go back to your arm chair and keep typing...anyway, you have all the
time in the world. Better still, go back to your drain.
Post by DGPSC
Duhhh....
Many on this newsgroup is joining me in condeming the PAPy org. Can't you
read you running dog of MIWs?
Why go and expose myself in peril of jail (and wouldn;t running dogs like
yourself be happy that I should land in jail) when I can drum up mass
support on this newsgroup against the ills of the PAPy org?
Go and read more books, esp on the Art of War. LOL.
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that people
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the "power".
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your
mouth
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he
was
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out your
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah
Piow,
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury,
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by zipper
of
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 10:38:45 UTC
Permalink
I think you got it wrong here. What's wrong to be identified as "Opposition"
in the very first place? We are not criminals and we have legitimate
constituitional rights to form our political parties!

It is not a CRIME to be opposition supporters. Even if people are "branded"
as Opposition, it is their constituitional rights to stay as such and
doesn't mean the Nation could not move on. Patriotism is not the sole
exclusive right reserved for PAPists. Opposition parties are also patriotic
to a Nation. PAP doesn't equal to the Nation; opposing PAP doesn't mean
opposing to the Nation! In fact, PAP should set a clear line between itself
and the Nation. PAP is PAP only, Singapore is Singapore. PAP doesn't own
Singapore. Singapore belongs to ALL Singaporeans, not any individual or
groups of people.

Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
When comments are make against certain PAP policies,this does not mean that
they are supporting the Opposition Party and going against the ruling party.
when certain policies is introduce into the public,only valuable feedback
from them enable to fine tune the system.
By hearing and changes that's how we can move on together as a nation.
We cannot penalize those that disagreed and brand them as Opposition
supporters.
Singapore belong to all Singaporean , each and everyone got the
responsibility to hold own flag flying high.
Men introduce policies may not know how another man run it , man running it
may not know how the people receiving them.If everyone keep quite just
because being afraid branded as Opposition , how can a nation move together
without any suspicions.
Of cause most of us only likes to hear positive comments , everything's
"GOOD".
Post by zipper
Many on this newsgroup who joined you should do everyone a favour and
start
Post by zipper
or join an opposition party. I would like to see how many is "many".
Of
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
course..druming up "massive" support. The bottom line is, you are just a
coward who will never dare stand up to your "evil" power-abusing PAP you
alleged so much that Singapore is suffering.
Just go back to your arm chair and keep typing...anyway, you have all the
time in the world. Better still, go back to your drain.
Post by DGPSC
Duhhh....
Many on this newsgroup is joining me in condeming the PAPy org. Can't
you
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
read you running dog of MIWs?
Why go and expose myself in peril of jail (and wouldn;t running dogs
like
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
yourself be happy that I should land in jail) when I can drum up mass
support on this newsgroup against the ills of the PAPy org?
Go and read more books, esp on the Art of War. LOL.
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare" to
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that
people
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the
"power".
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your
mouth
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and he
was
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out
your
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess
who
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have
the
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah
Piow,
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national
treasury,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70%
of
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by zipper
of
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 13:27:26 UTC
Permalink
The opposition is part of the democratic process since it is an alternative
for those in the electorate
who do not or cannot agree with the policies or dictates of the ruling party
and being in opposition allows for alternative views to be expressed and
to ensure that the ruling party treads with caution in their quest for power
and governance as no single party can claim to have a monopoly of talent and
brains to come up with the correct systems and programmes of government at
each and every turn of events and circumstances.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
I think you got it wrong here. What's wrong to be identified as "Opposition"
in the very first place? We are not criminals and we have legitimate
constituitional rights to form our political parties!
It is not a CRIME to be opposition supporters. Even if people are "branded"
as Opposition, it is their constituitional rights to stay as such and
doesn't mean the Nation could not move on. Patriotism is not the sole
exclusive right reserved for PAPists. Opposition parties are also patriotic
to a Nation. PAP doesn't equal to the Nation; opposing PAP doesn't mean
opposing to the Nation! In fact, PAP should set a clear line between itself
and the Nation. PAP is PAP only, Singapore is Singapore. PAP doesn't own
Singapore. Singapore belongs to ALL Singaporeans, not any individual or
groups of people.
Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
When comments are make against certain PAP policies,this does not mean
that
Post by Fire
they are supporting the Opposition Party and going against the ruling
party.
Post by Fire
when certain policies is introduce into the public,only valuable feedback
from them enable to fine tune the system.
By hearing and changes that's how we can move on together as a nation.
We cannot penalize those that disagreed and brand them as Opposition
supporters.
Singapore belong to all Singaporean , each and everyone got the
responsibility to hold own flag flying high.
Men introduce policies may not know how another man run it , man running
it
Post by Fire
may not know how the people receiving them.If everyone keep quite just
because being afraid branded as Opposition , how can a nation move
together
Post by Fire
without any suspicions.
Of cause most of us only likes to hear positive comments , everything's
"GOOD".
Post by zipper
Many on this newsgroup who joined you should do everyone a favour and
start
Post by zipper
or join an opposition party. I would like to see how many is "many".
Of
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
course..druming up "massive" support. The bottom line is, you are
just
Post by Goh Meng Seng
a
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
coward who will never dare stand up to your "evil" power-abusing PAP you
alleged so much that Singapore is suffering.
Just go back to your arm chair and keep typing...anyway, you have all
the
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
time in the world. Better still, go back to your drain.
Post by DGPSC
Duhhh....
Many on this newsgroup is joining me in condeming the PAPy org. Can't
you
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
read you running dog of MIWs?
Why go and expose myself in peril of jail (and wouldn;t running dogs
like
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
yourself be happy that I should land in jail) when I can drum up mass
support on this newsgroup against the ills of the PAPy org?
Go and read more books, esp on the Art of War. LOL.
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare"
to
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing but a
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that
people
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the
"power".
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where your
mouth
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and
he
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
was
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out
your
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess
who
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have
the
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah
Piow,
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about
the
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national
treasury,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the
drain
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70%
of
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by zipper
of
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
so
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 13:56:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by ardeedee
The opposition is part of the democratic process since it is an alternative
for those in the electorate
Don't need to state the obvious.
Post by ardeedee
who do not or cannot agree with the policies or dictates of the ruling party
and being in opposition allows for alternative views to be expressed
so what if the alternative view is expressed when there are only 2 opp.
members.
Post by ardeedee
to ensure that the ruling party treads with caution in their quest for power
and governance as no single party can claim to have a monopoly of talent and
brains to come up with the correct systems and programmes of government at
each and every turn of events and circumstances.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
I think you got it wrong here. What's wrong to be identified as
"Opposition"
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in the very first place? We are not criminals and we have legitimate
constituitional rights to form our political parties!
It is not a CRIME to be opposition supporters. Even if people are
"branded"
Post by Goh Meng Seng
as Opposition, it is their constituitional rights to stay as such and
doesn't mean the Nation could not move on. Patriotism is not the sole
exclusive right reserved for PAPists. Opposition parties are also
patriotic
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to a Nation. PAP doesn't equal to the Nation; opposing PAP doesn't mean
opposing to the Nation! In fact, PAP should set a clear line between
itself
Post by Goh Meng Seng
and the Nation. PAP is PAP only, Singapore is Singapore. PAP doesn't own
Singapore. Singapore belongs to ALL Singaporeans, not any individual or
groups of people.
Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
When comments are make against certain PAP policies,this does not mean
that
Post by Fire
they are supporting the Opposition Party and going against the ruling
party.
Post by Fire
when certain policies is introduce into the public,only valuable
feedback
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
from them enable to fine tune the system.
By hearing and changes that's how we can move on together as a nation.
We cannot penalize those that disagreed and brand them as Opposition
supporters.
Singapore belong to all Singaporean , each and everyone got the
responsibility to hold own flag flying high.
Men introduce policies may not know how another man run it , man running
it
Post by Fire
may not know how the people receiving them.If everyone keep quite just
because being afraid branded as Opposition , how can a nation move
together
Post by Fire
without any suspicions.
Of cause most of us only likes to hear positive comments ,
everything's
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
"GOOD".
Post by zipper
Many on this newsgroup who joined you should do everyone a favour and
start
Post by zipper
or join an opposition party. I would like to see how many is "many".
Of
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
course..druming up "massive" support. The bottom line is, you are
just
Post by Goh Meng Seng
a
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
coward who will never dare stand up to your "evil" power-abusing PAP
you
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
alleged so much that Singapore is suffering.
Just go back to your arm chair and keep typing...anyway, you have all
the
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
time in the world. Better still, go back to your drain.
Post by DGPSC
Duhhh....
Many on this newsgroup is joining me in condeming the PAPy org.
Can't
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
you
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
read you running dog of MIWs?
Why go and expose myself in peril of jail (and wouldn;t running dogs
like
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
yourself be happy that I should land in jail) when I can drum up
mass
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
support on this newsgroup against the ills of the PAPy org?
Go and read more books, esp on the Art of War. LOL.
Post by zipper
Don't make excuses for yourself, you coward. If you didn't "dare"
to
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
protest, then crawl back to your drain. You are just nothing
but
Post by ardeedee
a
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
cowardly
Post by zipper
rat bitching all day long, defaming the PAP at will, hoping that
people
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
will
Post by zipper
do the dirty job for you i.e. so-called "rebelling" against the
"power".
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
If you complaint so much about the PAP, put your actions where
your
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
mouth
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
is. See how many will join you. No one as it is just false.
Nelson Mendela didn't even have the chance to apply for permit and
he
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
was
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
jail. Maybe jail is where you belong so that you can carrying out
your
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
"democratic" & "anti-evil PAP" movement.
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application.
Guess
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
who
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
owns
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your
have
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
the
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
ISA.
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by zipper
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan
Wah
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Piow,
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about
the
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
"real"
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national
treasury,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
and
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet
dissent
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the
drain
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk
as
Post by ardeedee
if
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
that
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please,
70%
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
of
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
PAP
Post by zipper
of
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
so
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you
sewer
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Fire
Post by zipper
rats
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
deserved it.
zipper
2004-07-07 06:31:10 UTC
Permalink
If anyone has any good ideas to offer or comment, follow the rules and
identify yourself at the Speakers corner or go see your MP and tell him why
you disagree with the PAP. Do not defame the governement here at will or
there will be consequences.
Post by Fire
When comments are make against certain PAP policies,this does not mean that
they are supporting the Opposition Party and going against the ruling party.
when certain policies is introduce into the public,only valuable feedback
from them enable to fine tune the system.
By hearing and changes that's how we can move on together as a nation.
We cannot penalize those that disagreed and brand them as Opposition
supporters.
Singapore belong to all Singaporean , each and everyone got the
responsibility to hold own flag flying high.
Men introduce policies may not know how another man run it , man running it
may not know how the people receiving them.If everyone keep quite just
because being afraid branded as Opposition , how can a nation move together
without any suspicions.
Of cause most of us only likes to hear positive comments , everything's
"GOOD"
ardeedee
2004-07-07 07:41:34 UTC
Permalink
Show me one piece of defamation mentioned here in this forum the last few
days?
Post by zipper
If anyone has any good ideas to offer or comment, follow the rules and
identify yourself at the Speakers corner or go see your MP and tell him why
you disagree with the PAP. Do not defame the governement here at will or
there will be consequences.
Post by Fire
When comments are make against certain PAP policies,this does not mean
that
Post by Fire
they are supporting the Opposition Party and going against the ruling
party.
Post by Fire
when certain policies is introduce into the public,only valuable feedback
from them enable to fine tune the system.
By hearing and changes that's how we can move on together as a nation.
We cannot penalize those that disagreed and brand them as Opposition
supporters.
Singapore belong to all Singaporean , each and everyone got the
responsibility to hold own flag flying high.
Men introduce policies may not know how another man run it , man running
it
Post by Fire
may not know how the people receiving them.If everyone keep quite just
because being afraid branded as Opposition , how can a nation move
together
Post by Fire
without any suspicions.
Of cause most of us only likes to hear positive comments , everything's
"GOOD"
DoCoMo
2004-07-07 08:18:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by zipper
If anyone has any good ideas to offer or comment, follow the rules and
identify yourself at the Speakers corner or go see your MP and tell him why
you disagree with the PAP. Do not defame the governement here at will or
there will be consequences.
So, little Prick Keeper, you are actually threatening people in scs?
If YOU have the balls, post your photo, full name and home address
here. You know we all have no balls to do so. Show us that YOU have
the BALLS. PROVE IT !
Gamer
2004-07-06 07:08:32 UTC
Permalink
Sewer Rat!
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or protests in
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
news.new
2004-07-06 10:41:04 UTC
Permalink
Actually, protests in many other countries do need a plice permit
application !
How I wish you have already grown up to understand this is the fact of live
and is a goodness for many others!
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or protests in
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 10:43:14 UTC
Permalink
True enough but it is only for administrative purpose in other places (like
Hong Kong), not an instrument used to prevent protests or demonstrations
from happening!

That's the main difference.

Goh Meng Seng
Post by news.new
Actually, protests in many other countries do need a plice permit
application !
How I wish you have already grown up to understand this is the fact of live
and is a goodness for many others!
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by news.new
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
DGPSC
2004-07-06 14:07:46 UTC
Permalink
Police in SInkapore is not impartial. It takes sides on political issues.
How I wish you have already grown up to understand this is the fact of life
and is a goodness for many others!
Post by news.new
Actually, protests in many other countries do need a plice permit
application !
How I wish you have already grown up to understand this is the fact of live
and is a goodness for many others!
Post by DGPSC
Protests in Sinkapore requires a police permit application. Guess who owns
the Police in Sinkapore?
Difference in HKG versus Sinkapore is that in Sinkapore your have the ISA.
Who dare to protest or organize protest huh? "Public" protest or
protests
Post by news.new
in
Post by DGPSC
public have their prices.... as seen by Tang Liang Hoong, Tan Wah Piow,
etc...
One fine day even sewer rats will rebel and eat your asslicking
system...This newsgroup is a start to let the world knows about the "real"
politics, cronism, nepotism, "legalised" rampage of national treasury, and
legal system abuse to bankrupt the opposition in order to quiet dissent in
SInkapore.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by DGPSC
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
globalise
2004-07-06 00:51:22 UTC
Permalink
err hello. Allow me to rephase something can or not huh ?
If it is not so bad, how come Sembawang can become Marine Parade huh ?
If PAP is so bad, did you see anyone protesting on the street like in
Hong Kong?
Gamer
2004-07-06 07:17:14 UTC
Permalink
What wrong with changes? Sick old man!
Post by globalise
err hello. Allow me to rephase something can or not huh ?
If it is not so bad, how come Sembawang can become Marine Parade huh ?
If PAP is so bad, did you see anyone protesting on the street like in
Hong Kong?
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 01:19:14 UTC
Permalink
Err...yes and no!

MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being elected or
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?

And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!

Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad, did
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 01:58:27 UTC
Permalink
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise objections
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against the
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections - NO -
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being elected or
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 02:15:13 UTC
Permalink
As an masturbate expert, what have you contribute to SCS.
Even participate in SCS will not help you recover your testicles.
so how can you lie the pack of akua that have no testicles.
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise objections
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against the
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections - NO -
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 04:13:18 UTC
Permalink
You are a kid go and find your teddy bear and sleep with it.
Post by Lau Niu
As an masturbate expert, what have you contribute to SCS.
Even participate in SCS will not help you recover your testicles.
so how can you lie the pack of akua that have no testicles.
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise objections
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against
the
Post by ardeedee
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections -
NO -
Post by ardeedee
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 03:14:36 UTC
Permalink
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to participate
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"? And
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.

We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even though we are
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now, we are
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.

I am in no position to represent other political parties but as far as
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard right now.
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our work is
mostly localized.

Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick, nervous and
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor minister
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings just to sit
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.

We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by bits, we
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at this
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really interested
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this new forum
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party members
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions only.

I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political participations
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past (even
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues but at the
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended up with
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties, across the
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem and
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are determined
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an alternative
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.

Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or any
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building up a
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the assurance of
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks of
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend your life
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans having the
alternative political choices.

Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much about
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up the
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself, may not
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on it, not
merely talk about it.

I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party will be
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this could
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to step
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the "glories" of
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/ strengthening the
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?

Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is that for
the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done their
part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last minute
to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us, it is a
great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party would be
able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground and these
candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have followed
them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to field
people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not just
anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying that, we
still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities carried
out by the present slate of candidates.

I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems that
nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work with
whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive responses I get
from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of making
commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it will
differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".


Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise objections
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against the
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections - NO -
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 03:22:07 UTC
Permalink
He know nothing about politic lah! His racist remarks
against the other races has disqualify him to talk about politic,
he can continue to teach peoples how to masturbate,
telling how much he pay his wife for sex.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to participate
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"? And
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.
We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even though we are
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now, we are
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.
I am in no position to represent other political parties but as far as
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard right now.
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our work is
mostly localized.
Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick, nervous and
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor minister
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings just to sit
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.
We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by bits, we
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at this
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really interested
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this new forum
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party members
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions only.
I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political
participations
Post by Goh Meng Seng
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past (even
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues but at the
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended up with
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties, across the
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem and
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are determined
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an alternative
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.
Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or any
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building up a
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the assurance of
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks of
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend your life
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans having the
alternative political choices.
Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much about
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up the
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself, may not
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on it, not
merely talk about it.
I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party will be
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this could
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to step
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the "glories" of
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/ strengthening the
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?
Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is that for
the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done their
part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last minute
to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us, it is a
great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party would be
able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground and these
candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have followed
them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to field
people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not just
anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying that, we
still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities carried
out by the present slate of candidates.
I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems that
nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work with
whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive responses I get
from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of making
commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it will
differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise objections
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against
the
Post by ardeedee
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections -
NO -
Post by ardeedee
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 04:23:22 UTC
Permalink
You won't know a racist if you see one - go look at the mirror and see if
you can recognize it.
Post by Lau Niu
He know nothing about politic lah! His racist remarks
against the other races has disqualify him to talk about politic,
he can continue to teach peoples how to masturbate,
telling how much he pay his wife for sex.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"?
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.
We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even though we are
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now, we are
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.
I am in no position to represent other political parties but as far as
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard right
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our work
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mostly localized.
Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick, nervous and
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor
minister
Post by Goh Meng Seng
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings just to sit
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.
We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by bits, we
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at this
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really
interested
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this new
forum
Post by Goh Meng Seng
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party members
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions only.
I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political
participations
Post by Goh Meng Seng
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past (even
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues but at
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended up
with
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties, across
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem and
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are
determined
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an alternative
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.
Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or any
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building up a
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the assurance of
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks of
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend your life
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans having
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
alternative political choices.
Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much about
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up the
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself, may not
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on it, not
merely talk about it.
I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party will be
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this could
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to step
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the
"glories"
Post by Lau Niu
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/ strengthening the
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?
Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is that
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done their
part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last
minute
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us, it
is
Post by Lau Niu
a
Post by Goh Meng Seng
great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party would be
able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground and
these
Post by Goh Meng Seng
candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have followed
them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to field
people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not just
anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying that, we
still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities
carried
Post by Goh Meng Seng
out by the present slate of candidates.
I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems that
nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work with
whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive responses I
get
Post by Goh Meng Seng
from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of making
commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it will
differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise
objections
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against
the
Post by ardeedee
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections -
NO -
Post by ardeedee
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by Lau Niu
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 07:01:09 UTC
Permalink
You look into the mirror and found your prick also missing.
Post by ardeedee
You won't know a racist if you see one - go look at the mirror and see if
you can recognize it.
Post by Lau Niu
He know nothing about politic lah! His racist remarks
against the other races has disqualify him to talk about politic,
he can continue to teach peoples how to masturbate,
telling how much he pay his wife for sex.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide
"alternatives"?
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.
We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even though we
are
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now, we
are
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.
I am in no position to represent other political parties but as far as
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard right
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our work
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mostly localized.
Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick, nervous
and
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor
minister
Post by Goh Meng Seng
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings just to
sit
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.
We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by bits, we
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at this
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really
interested
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this new
forum
Post by Goh Meng Seng
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party
members
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions only.
I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political
participations
Post by Goh Meng Seng
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past (even
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues but at
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended up
with
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties, across
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem and
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are
determined
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an
alternative
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.
Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or any
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building
up
Post by ardeedee
a
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the assurance
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks of
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend your
life
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans having
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
alternative political choices.
Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much
about
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up the
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself, may
not
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on it,
not
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
merely talk about it.
I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party
will
Post by ardeedee
be
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this
could
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to step
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the
"glories"
Post by Lau Niu
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/ strengthening the
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?
Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is that
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done
their
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last
minute
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us, it
is
Post by Lau Niu
a
Post by Goh Meng Seng
great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party would
be
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground and
these
Post by Goh Meng Seng
candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have followed
them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to field
people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not just
anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying that, we
still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities
carried
Post by Goh Meng Seng
out by the present slate of candidates.
I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems that
nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work with
whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive responses I
get
Post by Goh Meng Seng
from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of making
commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it will
differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise
objections
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly
against
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the
Post by ardeedee
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections -
NO -
Post by ardeedee
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70%
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by Lau Niu
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 12:44:10 UTC
Permalink
Its in your mouth - open wide.
Post by Lau Niu
You look into the mirror and found your prick also missing.
Post by ardeedee
You won't know a racist if you see one - go look at the mirror and see if
you can recognize it.
Post by Lau Niu
He know nothing about politic lah! His racist remarks
against the other races has disqualify him to talk about politic,
he can continue to teach peoples how to masturbate,
telling how much he pay his wife for sex.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide
"alternatives"?
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.
We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even though we
are
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now, we
are
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.
I am in no position to represent other political parties but as far as
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard
right
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our
work
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mostly localized.
Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick, nervous
and
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor
minister
Post by Goh Meng Seng
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings just to
sit
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.
We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by
bits,
Post by Lau Niu
we
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at
this
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really
interested
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this new
forum
Post by Goh Meng Seng
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party
members
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions only.
I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political
participations
Post by Goh Meng Seng
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past (even
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues
but
Post by Lau Niu
at
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended
up
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
with
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties,
across
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem
and
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are
determined
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an
alternative
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.
Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or
any
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building
up
Post by ardeedee
a
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the assurance
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks of
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend your
life
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans
having
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
alternative political choices.
Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much
about
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself, may
not
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on it,
not
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
merely talk about it.
I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party
will
Post by ardeedee
be
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this
could
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to
step
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the
"glories"
Post by Lau Niu
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/ strengthening
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?
Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is
that
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done
their
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last
minute
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us,
it
Post by ardeedee
is
Post by Lau Niu
a
Post by Goh Meng Seng
great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party would
be
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground and
these
Post by Goh Meng Seng
candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have
followed
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to field
people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not
just
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying
that,
Post by Lau Niu
we
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities
carried
Post by Goh Meng Seng
out by the present slate of candidates.
I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems
that
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work
with
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive
responses
Post by Lau Niu
I
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
get
Post by Goh Meng Seng
from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of
making
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it will
differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise
objections
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly
against
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the
Post by ardeedee
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic
elections -
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
NO -
Post by ardeedee
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking
about?
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs
who
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
don't
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the
drain
Post by Lau Niu
to
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70%
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by Lau Niu
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP
is
Post by Lau Niu
so
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 13:28:05 UTC
Permalink
so now your prick missing liao.
Post by ardeedee
Its in your mouth - open wide.
Post by Lau Niu
You look into the mirror and found your prick also missing.
Post by ardeedee
You won't know a racist if you see one - go look at the mirror and see
if
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
you can recognize it.
Post by Lau Niu
He know nothing about politic lah! His racist remarks
against the other races has disqualify him to talk about politic,
he can continue to teach peoples how to masturbate,
telling how much he pay his wife for sex.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide
"alternatives"?
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.
We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even
though
Post by ardeedee
we
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
are
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now,
we
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
are
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.
I am in no position to represent other political parties but as
far
Post by ardeedee
as
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard
right
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our
work
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mostly localized.
Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick,
nervous
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
and
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor
minister
Post by Goh Meng Seng
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings
just
Post by ardeedee
to
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
sit
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.
We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by
bits,
Post by Lau Niu
we
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at
this
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really
interested
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this
new
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
forum
Post by Goh Meng Seng
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party
members
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions
only.
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political
participations
Post by Goh Meng Seng
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past
(even
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues
but
Post by Lau Niu
at
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended
up
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
with
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties,
across
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem
and
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are
determined
Post by Goh Meng Seng
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an
alternative
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.
Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or
any
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building
up
Post by ardeedee
a
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the
assurance
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend
your
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
life
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans
having
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
alternative political choices.
Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much
about
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself,
may
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
not
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on
it,
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
not
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
merely talk about it.
I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party
will
Post by ardeedee
be
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this
could
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to
step
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the
"glories"
Post by Lau Niu
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/
strengthening
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?
Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is
that
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for
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the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done
their
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part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last
minute
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to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us,
it
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is
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a
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great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party
would
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be
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able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground
and
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these
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candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have
followed
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them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to
field
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people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not
just
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anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying
that,
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we
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still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities
carried
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out by the present slate of candidates.
I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems
that
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nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work
with
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whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive
responses
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I
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get
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from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of
making
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commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it
will
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differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".
Goh Meng Seng
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As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise
objections
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or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly
against
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the
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imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic
elections -
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NO -
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so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
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Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without
being
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elected
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or
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endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking
about?
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And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs
who
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don't
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even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
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You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the
drain
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to
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forget
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that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk
as
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if
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that
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PAP
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are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please,
70%
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of
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Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing
the
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PAP
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of
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abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP
is
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so
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bad,
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did
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you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you
sewer
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rats
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deserved it.
zipper
2004-07-06 03:48:37 UTC
Permalink
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP instilled, is
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens with PLA
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom. Aren't
they afraid of the PLA's tanks? This is what I called real fear.

If Singaporeans feel that they are surpressed by a ruthless government, then
we should see some freedom march. It would be riduculous to see a
population being surpressed for 30 years doing nothing, while continue to
vote the surpressors into power. This make no sense unless they feel that
they are not being surpressed at all.

The WP is not some new party. It was a strong one and a old party founded
in the 60s and some of WP old guards were actually from the governing party
before resigning and walking out of parliament like some spoiled brats. WP
had the same clout as PAP in the 60s. So, blaming the PAP for your own
party's failure to attract new blood is lame. No one wants to join WP or
other opposition to stand against the PAP, simply because no one share WP's
platform or the platforms from rest of the opposition. If your people can't
outwit the PAP, that's your short-coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to participate
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"? And
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.<snipped>
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 04:14:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by zipper
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP instilled, is
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens with PLA
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom. Aren't
they afraid of the PLA's tanks? This is what I called real fear.
How much do you understand Hongkongers? You say they are not "fearful"? Do
you know that those so called "avant gaurde" of free speech in Hong Kong
actually quit their jobs in radio stations after they feel "intimidated" by
some shadowy figures and events?

Don't talk rubbish. the 1989 Tian An Men incident happened in Beijing, not
Hong Kong. If it happens in Hong Kong, or even Shenzhen, Hong Kong would be
empty right now! In fact, many Hong Kongers are prepared to migrate and "run
for their lives" after the 1989 incident!

500,000 Hong Kongers could march in the street basically because the Hong
Kong government also respect the freedom of expressions! Hong Kong
government will not deter any groups of demonstrating and expressing their
political views through technical manoveurs! PAP government should feel
ashame of themselves in comparisons! Hong Kong is ruled by Hong Kong
government, not CCP! In fact, Hong Kong government has a whole range of
subsidies and support to encourage political participations! Even if you are
not "pro-government", as long as you stand for elections, be it localized
Council Elections or Legislative Council elections, you would be subsidized!
Your postage of election materials would be all paid for. If you get
elected, the government will pay for the rent of your political office! The
government will also subsidize the operations of your MP office! Look at us!
Our opposition MPs don't even have a decent place to serve their residents!

Although Hong Kong ministers and Chief Executive are not being elected
directly by Hong Kongers, but their progressive political outlook and
pro-democracy, pro-freedom of speech and expressions are far beyond PAP's
imaginations!
Post by zipper
If Singaporeans feel that they are surpressed by a ruthless government, then
we should see some freedom march. It would be riduculous to see a
population being surpressed for 30 years doing nothing, while continue to
vote the surpressors into power. This make no sense unless they feel that
they are not being surpressed at all.
Hahaha, that's the irony of it. The Fear is very much alive in some sectors
of Singapore. There are still people who are afraid of buying our
publication Hammer because, according to them, they will get into trouble
with the police! I said to them, if the police want to be difficult, I would
be the one who get into trouble first! ;)

However, don't underestimate Singaporeans. There are more and more
Singaporeans who are willing to show their support openly to Workers Party
when we walk the ground.

Fortunately or unfortunately, PAP has been able to manage the "suppression"
well. This is due to the fact that Singapore has been able to maximize
economic welfare with the opporunities provided by various developments in
the region in the past (Vietnam War, Cold War, relative under developments
of the region...etc As contrary to what PAP claims to their credits) But
time has changed. The region dynamics has changed. Global political focus by
the US has changed. And it is not surprising that PAP is unable to keep
their monopolies of power intact due to the lost of economic opportunities
available due to these changes in the region.
Post by zipper
The WP is not some new party. It was a strong one and a old party founded
in the 60s and some of WP old guards were actually from the governing party
before resigning and walking out of parliament like some spoiled brats.
WP
Post by zipper
had the same clout as PAP in the 60s. So, blaming the PAP for your own
party's failure to attract new blood is lame. No one wants to join WP or
other opposition to stand against the PAP, simply because no one share WP's
platform or the platforms from rest of the opposition. If your people can't
outwit the PAP, that's your short-coming.
I think you don't need to worry about WP's development, we can handle that.
You should worry more about your Aljunied GRC. ;)


Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"?
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.<snipped>
zipper
2004-07-07 07:01:52 UTC
Permalink
I know enough about Hongkongers that they have more balls to bring it to the
street then pretending to be several people posting and answering in this
sewer, using several handles. An idiot handle to provoke, a opposition
supporter handle to educate and several handles to "contribute" & defame
.i.e. whichever is convenient to use in different occasions.
Post by zipper
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP instilled, is
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens with
PLA
Post by zipper
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom. Aren't
<snipped>
ardeedee
2004-07-07 07:43:05 UTC
Permalink
Looks like you know less than you open up?
Post by zipper
I know enough about Hongkongers that they have more balls to bring it to the
street then pretending to be several people posting and answering in this
sewer, using several handles. An idiot handle to provoke, a opposition
supporter handle to educate and several handles to "contribute" & defame
.i.e. whichever is convenient to use in different occasions.
Post by zipper
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP
instilled,
Post by zipper
is
Post by zipper
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens with
PLA
Post by zipper
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom.
Aren't
Post by zipper
<snipped>
Lau Niu
2004-07-07 08:23:00 UTC
Permalink
Better than you know nothing yet claimed to be "leader" of SCS.
Post by ardeedee
Looks like you know less than you open up?
Post by zipper
I know enough about Hongkongers that they have more balls to bring it to
the
Post by zipper
street then pretending to be several people posting and answering in this
sewer, using several handles. An idiot handle to provoke, a opposition
supporter handle to educate and several handles to "contribute" & defame
.i.e. whichever is convenient to use in different occasions.
Post by zipper
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP
instilled,
Post by zipper
is
Post by zipper
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens
with
Post by zipper
PLA
Post by zipper
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom.
Aren't
Post by zipper
<snipped>
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-07 07:47:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by zipper
I know enough about Hongkongers that they have more balls to bring it to the
street then pretending to be several people posting and answering in this
sewer, using several handles. An idiot handle to provoke, a opposition
supporter handle to educate and several handles to "contribute" & defame
.i.e. whichever is convenient to use in different occasions.
It is interesting that you could think out such "complicated" structure; you
must have tried it out yourself? ;)

If you do not know, then please say you do not know. We could have people
bringing issues up to the streets, but then, did our police approve any of
the permits? Hong Kong police approved almost all applications of permits
and take up the responsibility of maintaining law and order during the
demonstration! But look, our police actually says it is not their business
and rally organizers (who organized rally INSIDE a stadium!) needs to employ
their own security personels from Cisco! Wow...if the Hong Kong police did
that, they will be the first ones to be fired! ;)

Don't try to compare durian with egg.

And if you want to mean that I have used several handlers to "defame"
anyone, you better prove it; else, I will have no choice but use your PAP's
methods, sue you till bankrupt. That's the rule of the game right now, isn't
it!

Goh Meng Seng
RoadRunner
2004-07-07 08:26:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
I know enough about Hongkongers that they have more balls to bring it to
the
Post by zipper
street then pretending to be several people posting and answering in this
sewer, using several handles. An idiot handle to provoke, a opposition
supporter handle to educate and several handles to "contribute" & defame
.i.e. whichever is convenient to use in different occasions.
It is interesting that you could think out such "complicated" structure; you
must have tried it out yourself? ;)
If you do not know, then please say you do not know. We could have people
bringing issues up to the streets, but then, did our police approve any of
the permits? Hong Kong police approved almost all applications of permits
and take up the responsibility of maintaining law and order during the
demonstration! But look, our police actually says it is not their business
and rally organizers (who organized rally INSIDE a stadium!) needs to employ
their own security personels from Cisco! Wow...if the Hong Kong police did
that, they will be the first ones to be fired! ;)
These are just your endless excuses. No gut to voice out at the Speaker
Corner?
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Don't try to compare durian with egg.
And if you want to mean that I have used several handlers to "defame"
anyone, you better prove it; else, I will have no choice but use your PAP's
methods, sue you till bankrupt. That's the rule of the game right now, isn't
it!
Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-07 08:29:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by RoadRunner
These are just your endless excuses. No gut to voice out at the Speaker
Corner?
Speaker Corner? It is the biggest joke! ;) I could just write here and I
could get 50 or 100 readers; why should I waste time in Speaker Corner? ;)

Put it this way, what I can do in Speaker Corner that I cannot do here? ;)


Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-07 09:04:07 UTC
Permalink
Readers here and peoples at speaker corner will be different
group of peoples. Opposition have no confidence that
there will be peoples attending the speaker corner.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
These are just your endless excuses. No gut to voice out at the Speaker
Corner?
Speaker Corner? It is the biggest joke! ;) I could just write here and I
could get 50 or 100 readers; why should I waste time in Speaker Corner? ;)
Put it this way, what I can do in Speaker Corner that I cannot do here? ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-07 08:48:14 UTC
Permalink
I agree lah! opposition did not make good use of the speaker corner.
Post by Turtle Soup
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
I know enough about Hongkongers that they have more balls to bring it to
the
Post by zipper
street then pretending to be several people posting and answering in
this
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
sewer, using several handles. An idiot handle to provoke, a opposition
supporter handle to educate and several handles to "contribute" & defame
.i.e. whichever is convenient to use in different occasions.
It is interesting that you could think out such "complicated" structure;
you
Post by Goh Meng Seng
must have tried it out yourself? ;)
If you do not know, then please say you do not know. We could have people
bringing issues up to the streets, but then, did our police approve any of
the permits? Hong Kong police approved almost all applications of permits
and take up the responsibility of maintaining law and order during the
demonstration! But look, our police actually says it is not their business
and rally organizers (who organized rally INSIDE a stadium!) needs to
employ
Post by Goh Meng Seng
their own security personels from Cisco! Wow...if the Hong Kong police did
that, they will be the first ones to be fired! ;)
These are just your endless excuses. No gut to voice out at the Speaker
Corner?
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Don't try to compare durian with egg.
And if you want to mean that I have used several handlers to "defame"
anyone, you better prove it; else, I will have no choice but use your
PAP's
Post by Goh Meng Seng
methods, sue you till bankrupt. That's the rule of the game right now,
isn't
Post by Goh Meng Seng
it!
Goh Meng Seng
ardeedee
2004-07-06 04:26:46 UTC
Permalink
The real problem confronting those would be political oppositionists is that
the PAP does not fight by Marquess of Queensbury rules but by rules as they
deem them to be and you can say the right thing and still get sued - for
instance if I accuse you of being a bastard and you deny being so then I can
say that I sue you for denying that you are a bastard and that you are
thereby saying I am accusing you falsely.
.
Post by zipper
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP instilled, is
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens with PLA
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom. Aren't
they afraid of the PLA's tanks? This is what I called real fear.
If Singaporeans feel that they are surpressed by a ruthless government, then
we should see some freedom march. It would be riduculous to see a
population being surpressed for 30 years doing nothing, while continue to
vote the surpressors into power. This make no sense unless they feel that
they are not being surpressed at all.
The WP is not some new party. It was a strong one and a old party founded
in the 60s and some of WP old guards were actually from the governing party
before resigning and walking out of parliament like some spoiled brats.
WP
Post by zipper
had the same clout as PAP in the 60s. So, blaming the PAP for your own
party's failure to attract new blood is lame. No one wants to join WP or
other opposition to stand against the PAP, simply because no one share WP's
platform or the platforms from rest of the opposition. If your people can't
outwit the PAP, that's your short-coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"?
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.<snipped>
Turtle Soup
2004-07-06 17:28:02 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:26:46 +0800, "ardeedee" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

If you know they are and why don't you support opposition? or any opposition?
Post by ardeedee
The real problem confronting those would be political oppositionists is that
the PAP does not fight by Marquess of Queensbury rules but by rules as they
deem them to be and you can say the right thing and still get sued - for
instance if I accuse you of being a bastard and you deny being so then I can
say that I sue you for denying that you are a bastard and that you are
thereby saying I am accusing you falsely.
.
Post by zipper
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP instilled, is
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens with
PLA
Post by zipper
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom. Aren't
they afraid of the PLA's tanks? This is what I called real fear.
If Singaporeans feel that they are surpressed by a ruthless government,
then
Post by zipper
we should see some freedom march. It would be riduculous to see a
population being surpressed for 30 years doing nothing, while continue to
vote the surpressors into power. This make no sense unless they feel that
they are not being surpressed at all.
The WP is not some new party. It was a strong one and a old party founded
in the 60s and some of WP old guards were actually from the governing
party
Post by zipper
before resigning and walking out of parliament like some spoiled brats.
WP
Post by zipper
had the same clout as PAP in the 60s. So, blaming the PAP for your own
party's failure to attract new blood is lame. No one wants to join WP or
other opposition to stand against the PAP, simply because no one share
WP's
Post by zipper
platform or the platforms from rest of the opposition. If your people
can't
Post by zipper
outwit the PAP, that's your short-coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"?
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.<snipped>
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 07:03:33 UTC
Permalink
Nobody accusing you for being a masturbate expert.
for putting your prick in the mouth and found your testicles
disappeared. For paying your wife for sex.
You said all this yourself.
Post by ardeedee
The real problem confronting those would be political oppositionists is that
the PAP does not fight by Marquess of Queensbury rules but by rules as they
deem them to be and you can say the right thing and still get sued - for
instance if I accuse you of being a bastard and you deny being so then I can
say that I sue you for denying that you are a bastard and that you are
thereby saying I am accusing you falsely.
.
Post by zipper
I am not sure if this so called "fear" you alledged that PAP instilled, is
greater than the Chinese communists that crashed their own citizens with
PLA
Post by zipper
tanks in 1989 has displayed. In spite of this real and physical fear,
500,000 Hong Konger marched in the street for their won freedom. Aren't
they afraid of the PLA's tanks? This is what I called real fear.
If Singaporeans feel that they are surpressed by a ruthless government,
then
Post by zipper
we should see some freedom march. It would be riduculous to see a
population being surpressed for 30 years doing nothing, while continue to
vote the surpressors into power. This make no sense unless they feel that
they are not being surpressed at all.
The WP is not some new party. It was a strong one and a old party founded
in the 60s and some of WP old guards were actually from the governing
party
Post by zipper
before resigning and walking out of parliament like some spoiled brats.
WP
Post by zipper
had the same clout as PAP in the 60s. So, blaming the PAP for your own
party's failure to attract new blood is lame. No one wants to join WP or
other opposition to stand against the PAP, simply because no one share
WP's
Post by zipper
platform or the platforms from rest of the opposition. If your people
can't
Post by zipper
outwit the PAP, that's your short-coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to
participate
Post by Goh Meng Seng
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide
"alternatives"?
Post by ardeedee
Post by zipper
And
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.<snipped>
DoCoMo
2004-07-06 04:37:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by zipper
If Singaporeans feel that they are surpressed by a ruthless government, then
we should see some freedom march. It would be riduculous to see a
population being surpressed for 30 years doing nothing, while continue to
vote the surpressors into power. This make no sense unless they feel that
they are not being surpressed at all.
Do you see the big hong kong march in Uganda under Idi Amin?
Do you see the big hong kong march in Iraq under Saddam Hussein?
Do you see the big hong kong march in USSR under Kruschev?
Do you see the big hong kong march in Indonesia under Suharto?
globalise
2004-07-06 05:06:19 UTC
Permalink
err hello. Your grandfather left China when things were out of hand.
How come he didn't stay and form alternative party huh ?
Post by zipper
If Singaporeans feel that they are surpressed by a ruthless
government, then we should see some freedom march. It would be
riduculous to see a population being surpressed for 30 years doing
nothing, while continue to vote the surpressors into power. This
make no sense unless they feel that they are not being surpressed at
all.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 04:22:13 UTC
Permalink
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early the PAP
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.

What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months prior to
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain constant for
any incoming election.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to participate
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"? And
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.
We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even though we are
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now, we are
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.
I am in no position to represent other political parties but as far as
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard right now.
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our work is
mostly localized.
Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick, nervous and
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor minister
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings just to sit
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.
We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by bits, we
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at this
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really interested
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this new forum
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party members
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions only.
I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political
participations
Post by Goh Meng Seng
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past (even
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues but at the
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended up with
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties, across the
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem and
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are determined
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an alternative
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.
Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or any
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building up a
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the assurance of
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks of
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend your life
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans having the
alternative political choices.
Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much about
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up the
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself, may not
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on it, not
merely talk about it.
I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party will be
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this could
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to step
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the "glories" of
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/ strengthening the
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?
Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is that for
the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done their
part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last minute
to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us, it is a
great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party would be
able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground and these
candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have followed
them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to field
people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not just
anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying that, we
still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities carried
out by the present slate of candidates.
I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems that
nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work with
whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive responses I get
from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of making
commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it will
differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise objections
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against
the
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imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections -
NO -
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so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
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endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
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Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 04:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by ardeedee
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early the PAP
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.
Strategically, PAP cannot do anything if the GRC is not being contested for
the past 15 years! PAP could only redraw the boundaries with statistics of
voting patterns revealed in precinct counting of votes in the past election.
For most GRCs, they lack such datas, that is why they are nervous right now.
GRC like ChengSan disappeared overnight because they know the voting
patterns from the 1997 election, where JBJ lost by a small margin. So, they
thought they could "RECONFIGURE" and absolve it into three or four other
constituencies like Aljunied, Ang Mo Kio and Pasir Ris GRCs.

Thus, letting them know about us working on the ground of those historically
uncontested GRCs will not give them much advantage in redrawing the
boundaries....they don't have the most recent data to do it! ;)

But I guess, the PAP guys are thinking of using the coming Presidential
Election to test the ground and collect datas on the voting pattern of
various GRCs. Thus, I urge, for strategic purpose, vote the PAP man in the
coming Presidential Election just to skew or deprive such data collections.
;)
Post by ardeedee
What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months prior to
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain constant for
any incoming election.
Ardeedee, we will do whatever things positive under our control. We cannot
wait for things to happen. Attacking the ground of GRC have many fringe
benefits. In the process, we recruit alot of new blood and followers who
share the same vision and willing to walk with us. Working as a team, it
increases the synergies among party members, building up a strong
comaradeship. And we need these people when the elections come. For every
candidate, we need at least five helpers or troopers behind him/her.

Loosing the election is not something that I fear. What happens to the party
after such lost battles are more worrying. If we were to build a stable and
strong instituition, we must make sure that we could keep the team spirit
intact even if we lost the election. I could tell you that many opposition
parties suffered badly internally after loosing the elections. Those people
who stand and lost will blame each other for the lost. Many just quit, some
just put their names in CECs for show....etc etc. This is due to the fact
that team building is a non-existence prior to the elections.

We would be successful if we could keep our team synergy and spirit intact
even if we lost the elections. The type of commitment we are looking for is
not merely for the coming elections, but most probably a minimum of 15 years
of political commitment.

Single ward constituency in the midst of GRC structure, to me, is a big
poison to the progress of Alternative politics. SMC is a "killing field"
specially crafted out by PAP. There is no need to waste time in fighting for
SMC seats. PAP wanted to divert opposition efforts into SMC so that they
could win all except two of the SMC wards. SMCs are easily manipulated by
boundary redrawing exercise; the fact is that they have used this strategy
quite successfully for the past elections; we should not fall into this
trap! For those SMC which suffers close fights, they will absorb it into
GRC, or certain "antiPAP" sectors being drawn into nearby GRCs. You can
never win in SMC unless you are already the incumbants.

When Workers Party refocus its attention towards GRC, it got PAP nervous.
That's where the real battle will be. GRCs have grown into such a big entity
nowadays that there are pretty few rooms for them to play around with.
Whatever "anti-PAP" sectors have been absorbed into GRCs. Imagine that if we
are going to fight in these GRCs which have over the decades, absorbing
unfavourable precincts into their groups, won't they be nervous? ;)


Goh Meng Seng

PS. the fact is that even if I reveal my strategic plans here, there is
little they could do. They have been trapped by their own cage! ;)
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 07:14:10 UTC
Permalink
What does Ardeedee know about politic ? His outdated idea won't work.
The genuine politician will work the ground even if they are going to
lost the election. There are already complaint that opposition only
come out during election. So opposition has to work the ground early.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early the
PAP
Post by ardeedee
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.
Strategically, PAP cannot do anything if the GRC is not being contested for
the past 15 years! PAP could only redraw the boundaries with statistics of
voting patterns revealed in precinct counting of votes in the past election.
For most GRCs, they lack such datas, that is why they are nervous right now.
GRC like ChengSan disappeared overnight because they know the voting
patterns from the 1997 election, where JBJ lost by a small margin. So, they
thought they could "RECONFIGURE" and absolve it into three or four other
constituencies like Aljunied, Ang Mo Kio and Pasir Ris GRCs.
Thus, letting them know about us working on the ground of those historically
uncontested GRCs will not give them much advantage in redrawing the
boundaries....they don't have the most recent data to do it! ;)
But I guess, the PAP guys are thinking of using the coming Presidential
Election to test the ground and collect datas on the voting pattern of
various GRCs. Thus, I urge, for strategic purpose, vote the PAP man in the
coming Presidential Election just to skew or deprive such data
collections.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
;)
Post by ardeedee
What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months prior to
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain constant for
any incoming election.
Ardeedee, we will do whatever things positive under our control. We cannot
wait for things to happen. Attacking the ground of GRC have many fringe
benefits. In the process, we recruit alot of new blood and followers who
share the same vision and willing to walk with us. Working as a team, it
increases the synergies among party members, building up a strong
comaradeship. And we need these people when the elections come. For every
candidate, we need at least five helpers or troopers behind him/her.
Loosing the election is not something that I fear. What happens to the party
after such lost battles are more worrying. If we were to build a stable and
strong instituition, we must make sure that we could keep the team spirit
intact even if we lost the election. I could tell you that many opposition
parties suffered badly internally after loosing the elections. Those people
who stand and lost will blame each other for the lost. Many just quit, some
just put their names in CECs for show....etc etc. This is due to the fact
that team building is a non-existence prior to the elections.
We would be successful if we could keep our team synergy and spirit intact
even if we lost the elections. The type of commitment we are looking for is
not merely for the coming elections, but most probably a minimum of 15 years
of political commitment.
Single ward constituency in the midst of GRC structure, to me, is a big
poison to the progress of Alternative politics. SMC is a "killing field"
specially crafted out by PAP. There is no need to waste time in fighting for
SMC seats. PAP wanted to divert opposition efforts into SMC so that they
could win all except two of the SMC wards. SMCs are easily manipulated by
boundary redrawing exercise; the fact is that they have used this strategy
quite successfully for the past elections; we should not fall into this
trap! For those SMC which suffers close fights, they will absorb it into
GRC, or certain "antiPAP" sectors being drawn into nearby GRCs. You can
never win in SMC unless you are already the incumbants.
When Workers Party refocus its attention towards GRC, it got PAP nervous.
That's where the real battle will be. GRCs have grown into such a big entity
nowadays that there are pretty few rooms for them to play around with.
Whatever "anti-PAP" sectors have been absorbed into GRCs. Imagine that if we
are going to fight in these GRCs which have over the decades, absorbing
unfavourable precincts into their groups, won't they be nervous? ;)
Goh Meng Seng
PS. the fact is that even if I reveal my strategic plans here, there is
little they could do. They have been trapped by their own cage! ;)
ardeedee
2004-07-06 12:43:26 UTC
Permalink
The re-drew Marine Parade to include Serangoon areas?
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early the
PAP
Post by ardeedee
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.
Strategically, PAP cannot do anything if the GRC is not being contested for
the past 15 years! PAP could only redraw the boundaries with statistics of
voting patterns revealed in precinct counting of votes in the past election.
For most GRCs, they lack such datas, that is why they are nervous right now.
GRC like ChengSan disappeared overnight because they know the voting
patterns from the 1997 election, where JBJ lost by a small margin. So, they
thought they could "RECONFIGURE" and absolve it into three or four other
constituencies like Aljunied, Ang Mo Kio and Pasir Ris GRCs.
Thus, letting them know about us working on the ground of those historically
uncontested GRCs will not give them much advantage in redrawing the
boundaries....they don't have the most recent data to do it! ;)
But I guess, the PAP guys are thinking of using the coming Presidential
Election to test the ground and collect datas on the voting pattern of
various GRCs. Thus, I urge, for strategic purpose, vote the PAP man in the
coming Presidential Election just to skew or deprive such data
collections.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
;)
Post by ardeedee
What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months prior to
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain constant for
any incoming election.
Ardeedee, we will do whatever things positive under our control. We cannot
wait for things to happen. Attacking the ground of GRC have many fringe
benefits. In the process, we recruit alot of new blood and followers who
share the same vision and willing to walk with us. Working as a team, it
increases the synergies among party members, building up a strong
comaradeship. And we need these people when the elections come. For every
candidate, we need at least five helpers or troopers behind him/her.
Loosing the election is not something that I fear. What happens to the party
after such lost battles are more worrying. If we were to build a stable and
strong instituition, we must make sure that we could keep the team spirit
intact even if we lost the election. I could tell you that many opposition
parties suffered badly internally after loosing the elections. Those people
who stand and lost will blame each other for the lost. Many just quit, some
just put their names in CECs for show....etc etc. This is due to the fact
that team building is a non-existence prior to the elections.
We would be successful if we could keep our team synergy and spirit intact
even if we lost the elections. The type of commitment we are looking for is
not merely for the coming elections, but most probably a minimum of 15 years
of political commitment.
Single ward constituency in the midst of GRC structure, to me, is a big
poison to the progress of Alternative politics. SMC is a "killing field"
specially crafted out by PAP. There is no need to waste time in fighting for
SMC seats. PAP wanted to divert opposition efforts into SMC so that they
could win all except two of the SMC wards. SMCs are easily manipulated by
boundary redrawing exercise; the fact is that they have used this strategy
quite successfully for the past elections; we should not fall into this
trap! For those SMC which suffers close fights, they will absorb it into
GRC, or certain "antiPAP" sectors being drawn into nearby GRCs. You can
never win in SMC unless you are already the incumbants.
When Workers Party refocus its attention towards GRC, it got PAP nervous.
That's where the real battle will be. GRCs have grown into such a big entity
nowadays that there are pretty few rooms for them to play around with.
Whatever "anti-PAP" sectors have been absorbed into GRCs. Imagine that if we
are going to fight in these GRCs which have over the decades, absorbing
unfavourable precincts into their groups, won't they be nervous? ;)
Goh Meng Seng
PS. the fact is that even if I reveal my strategic plans here, there is
little they could do. They have been trapped by their own cage! ;)
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 13:05:08 UTC
Permalink
You are talking about Braddel being redrawn into Marine Parade. That's my
point. SMC (Single Ward) is a poison. It could be redrawn into GRC. But
could one GRC being redrawn into another GRC? Chengsan was split and redrawn
into three GRCs! But with the present status, it is impossible for them to
redraw a huge GRC consisting 5 to 6 seats into other GRCs; due to the mere
sizes. Even if they do, there is no guarantee that they will not lose. ;)


Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
The re-drew Marine Parade to include Serangoon areas?
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early the
PAP
Post by ardeedee
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.
Strategically, PAP cannot do anything if the GRC is not being contested
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the past 15 years! PAP could only redraw the boundaries with statistics of
voting patterns revealed in precinct counting of votes in the past
election.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
For most GRCs, they lack such datas, that is why they are nervous right
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
GRC like ChengSan disappeared overnight because they know the voting
patterns from the 1997 election, where JBJ lost by a small margin. So,
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
thought they could "RECONFIGURE" and absolve it into three or four other
constituencies like Aljunied, Ang Mo Kio and Pasir Ris GRCs.
Thus, letting them know about us working on the ground of those
historically
Post by Goh Meng Seng
uncontested GRCs will not give them much advantage in redrawing the
boundaries....they don't have the most recent data to do it! ;)
But I guess, the PAP guys are thinking of using the coming Presidential
Election to test the ground and collect datas on the voting pattern of
various GRCs. Thus, I urge, for strategic purpose, vote the PAP man in the
coming Presidential Election just to skew or deprive such data
collections.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
;)
Post by ardeedee
What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months prior
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain constant
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any incoming election.
Ardeedee, we will do whatever things positive under our control. We cannot
wait for things to happen. Attacking the ground of GRC have many fringe
benefits. In the process, we recruit alot of new blood and followers who
share the same vision and willing to walk with us. Working as a team, it
increases the synergies among party members, building up a strong
comaradeship. And we need these people when the elections come. For every
candidate, we need at least five helpers or troopers behind him/her.
Loosing the election is not something that I fear. What happens to the
party
Post by Goh Meng Seng
after such lost battles are more worrying. If we were to build a stable
and
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong instituition, we must make sure that we could keep the team spirit
intact even if we lost the election. I could tell you that many opposition
parties suffered badly internally after loosing the elections. Those
people
Post by Goh Meng Seng
who stand and lost will blame each other for the lost. Many just quit,
some
Post by Goh Meng Seng
just put their names in CECs for show....etc etc. This is due to the fact
that team building is a non-existence prior to the elections.
We would be successful if we could keep our team synergy and spirit intact
even if we lost the elections. The type of commitment we are looking for
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
not merely for the coming elections, but most probably a minimum of 15
years
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of political commitment.
Single ward constituency in the midst of GRC structure, to me, is a big
poison to the progress of Alternative politics. SMC is a "killing field"
specially crafted out by PAP. There is no need to waste time in fighting
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
SMC seats. PAP wanted to divert opposition efforts into SMC so that they
could win all except two of the SMC wards. SMCs are easily manipulated by
boundary redrawing exercise; the fact is that they have used this strategy
quite successfully for the past elections; we should not fall into this
trap! For those SMC which suffers close fights, they will absorb it into
GRC, or certain "antiPAP" sectors being drawn into nearby GRCs. You can
never win in SMC unless you are already the incumbants.
When Workers Party refocus its attention towards GRC, it got PAP nervous.
That's where the real battle will be. GRCs have grown into such a big
entity
Post by Goh Meng Seng
nowadays that there are pretty few rooms for them to play around with.
Whatever "anti-PAP" sectors have been absorbed into GRCs. Imagine that
if
Post by ardeedee
we
Post by Goh Meng Seng
are going to fight in these GRCs which have over the decades, absorbing
unfavourable precincts into their groups, won't they be nervous? ;)
Goh Meng Seng
PS. the fact is that even if I reveal my strategic plans here, there is
little they could do. They have been trapped by their own cage! ;)
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 13:31:17 UTC
Permalink
Ardeedee, he just like to open his itchy mouth, he don't know anything.
He claimed to "leader" in SCS ! sigh !!!!!
Post by Goh Meng Seng
You are talking about Braddel being redrawn into Marine Parade. That's my
point. SMC (Single Ward) is a poison. It could be redrawn into GRC. But
could one GRC being redrawn into another GRC? Chengsan was split and redrawn
into three GRCs! But with the present status, it is impossible for them to
redraw a huge GRC consisting 5 to 6 seats into other GRCs; due to the mere
sizes. Even if they do, there is no guarantee that they will not lose. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
The re-drew Marine Parade to include Serangoon areas?
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
PAP
Post by ardeedee
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.
Strategically, PAP cannot do anything if the GRC is not being contested
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the past 15 years! PAP could only redraw the boundaries with
statistics
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
voting patterns revealed in precinct counting of votes in the past
election.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
For most GRCs, they lack such datas, that is why they are nervous right
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
GRC like ChengSan disappeared overnight because they know the voting
patterns from the 1997 election, where JBJ lost by a small margin. So,
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
thought they could "RECONFIGURE" and absolve it into three or four other
constituencies like Aljunied, Ang Mo Kio and Pasir Ris GRCs.
Thus, letting them know about us working on the ground of those
historically
Post by Goh Meng Seng
uncontested GRCs will not give them much advantage in redrawing the
boundaries....they don't have the most recent data to do it! ;)
But I guess, the PAP guys are thinking of using the coming
Presidential
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Election to test the ground and collect datas on the voting pattern of
various GRCs. Thus, I urge, for strategic purpose, vote the PAP man in
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
coming Presidential Election just to skew or deprive such data
collections.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
;)
Post by ardeedee
What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months prior
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain constant
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any incoming election.
Ardeedee, we will do whatever things positive under our control. We
cannot
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
wait for things to happen. Attacking the ground of GRC have many fringe
benefits. In the process, we recruit alot of new blood and followers who
share the same vision and willing to walk with us. Working as a team, it
increases the synergies among party members, building up a strong
comaradeship. And we need these people when the elections come. For
every
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
candidate, we need at least five helpers or troopers behind him/her.
Loosing the election is not something that I fear. What happens to the
party
Post by Goh Meng Seng
after such lost battles are more worrying. If we were to build a stable
and
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong instituition, we must make sure that we could keep the team
spirit
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
intact even if we lost the election. I could tell you that many
opposition
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
parties suffered badly internally after loosing the elections. Those
people
Post by Goh Meng Seng
who stand and lost will blame each other for the lost. Many just quit,
some
Post by Goh Meng Seng
just put their names in CECs for show....etc etc. This is due to the
fact
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
that team building is a non-existence prior to the elections.
We would be successful if we could keep our team synergy and spirit
intact
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even if we lost the elections. The type of commitment we are looking for
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
not merely for the coming elections, but most probably a minimum of 15
years
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of political commitment.
Single ward constituency in the midst of GRC structure, to me, is a big
poison to the progress of Alternative politics. SMC is a "killing field"
specially crafted out by PAP. There is no need to waste time in fighting
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
SMC seats. PAP wanted to divert opposition efforts into SMC so that they
could win all except two of the SMC wards. SMCs are easily manipulated
by
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
boundary redrawing exercise; the fact is that they have used this
strategy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
quite successfully for the past elections; we should not fall into this
trap! For those SMC which suffers close fights, they will absorb it into
GRC, or certain "antiPAP" sectors being drawn into nearby GRCs. You can
never win in SMC unless you are already the incumbants.
When Workers Party refocus its attention towards GRC, it got PAP
nervous.
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
That's where the real battle will be. GRCs have grown into such a big
entity
Post by Goh Meng Seng
nowadays that there are pretty few rooms for them to play around with.
Whatever "anti-PAP" sectors have been absorbed into GRCs. Imagine that
if
Post by ardeedee
we
Post by Goh Meng Seng
are going to fight in these GRCs which have over the decades, absorbing
unfavourable precincts into their groups, won't they be nervous? ;)
Goh Meng Seng
PS. the fact is that even if I reveal my strategic plans here, there is
little they could do. They have been trapped by their own cage! ;)
ardeedee
2004-07-06 13:30:12 UTC
Permalink
That is why the boundaries must be drawn clearly and the GRCs declared in
advance of the election nomination day by at least a month - after the
electoral are made public.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
You are talking about Braddel being redrawn into Marine Parade. That's my
point. SMC (Single Ward) is a poison. It could be redrawn into GRC. But
could one GRC being redrawn into another GRC? Chengsan was split and redrawn
into three GRCs! But with the present status, it is impossible for them to
redraw a huge GRC consisting 5 to 6 seats into other GRCs; due to the mere
sizes. Even if they do, there is no guarantee that they will not lose. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
The re-drew Marine Parade to include Serangoon areas?
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
PAP
Post by ardeedee
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.
Strategically, PAP cannot do anything if the GRC is not being contested
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the past 15 years! PAP could only redraw the boundaries with
statistics
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
voting patterns revealed in precinct counting of votes in the past
election.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
For most GRCs, they lack such datas, that is why they are nervous right
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
GRC like ChengSan disappeared overnight because they know the voting
patterns from the 1997 election, where JBJ lost by a small margin. So,
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
thought they could "RECONFIGURE" and absolve it into three or four other
constituencies like Aljunied, Ang Mo Kio and Pasir Ris GRCs.
Thus, letting them know about us working on the ground of those
historically
Post by Goh Meng Seng
uncontested GRCs will not give them much advantage in redrawing the
boundaries....they don't have the most recent data to do it! ;)
But I guess, the PAP guys are thinking of using the coming
Presidential
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Election to test the ground and collect datas on the voting pattern of
various GRCs. Thus, I urge, for strategic purpose, vote the PAP man in
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
coming Presidential Election just to skew or deprive such data
collections.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
;)
Post by ardeedee
What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months prior
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain constant
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any incoming election.
Ardeedee, we will do whatever things positive under our control. We
cannot
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
wait for things to happen. Attacking the ground of GRC have many fringe
benefits. In the process, we recruit alot of new blood and followers who
share the same vision and willing to walk with us. Working as a team, it
increases the synergies among party members, building up a strong
comaradeship. And we need these people when the elections come. For
every
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
candidate, we need at least five helpers or troopers behind him/her.
Loosing the election is not something that I fear. What happens to the
party
Post by Goh Meng Seng
after such lost battles are more worrying. If we were to build a stable
and
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong instituition, we must make sure that we could keep the team
spirit
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
intact even if we lost the election. I could tell you that many
opposition
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
parties suffered badly internally after loosing the elections. Those
people
Post by Goh Meng Seng
who stand and lost will blame each other for the lost. Many just quit,
some
Post by Goh Meng Seng
just put their names in CECs for show....etc etc. This is due to the
fact
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
that team building is a non-existence prior to the elections.
We would be successful if we could keep our team synergy and spirit
intact
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even if we lost the elections. The type of commitment we are looking for
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
not merely for the coming elections, but most probably a minimum of 15
years
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of political commitment.
Single ward constituency in the midst of GRC structure, to me, is a big
poison to the progress of Alternative politics. SMC is a "killing field"
specially crafted out by PAP. There is no need to waste time in fighting
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
SMC seats. PAP wanted to divert opposition efforts into SMC so that they
could win all except two of the SMC wards. SMCs are easily manipulated
by
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
boundary redrawing exercise; the fact is that they have used this
strategy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
quite successfully for the past elections; we should not fall into this
trap! For those SMC which suffers close fights, they will absorb it into
GRC, or certain "antiPAP" sectors being drawn into nearby GRCs. You can
never win in SMC unless you are already the incumbants.
When Workers Party refocus its attention towards GRC, it got PAP
nervous.
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
That's where the real battle will be. GRCs have grown into such a big
entity
Post by Goh Meng Seng
nowadays that there are pretty few rooms for them to play around with.
Whatever "anti-PAP" sectors have been absorbed into GRCs. Imagine that
if
Post by ardeedee
we
Post by Goh Meng Seng
are going to fight in these GRCs which have over the decades, absorbing
unfavourable precincts into their groups, won't they be nervous? ;)
Goh Meng Seng
PS. the fact is that even if I reveal my strategic plans here, there is
little they could do. They have been trapped by their own cage! ;)
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 13:59:39 UTC
Permalink
you now become constitutional law expert.
wait long long lah! this is the privilege of ruling party.
Post by ardeedee
That is why the boundaries must be drawn clearly and the GRCs declared in
advance of the election nomination day by at least a month - after the
electoral are made public.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
You are talking about Braddel being redrawn into Marine Parade. That's my
point. SMC (Single Ward) is a poison. It could be redrawn into GRC. But
could one GRC being redrawn into another GRC? Chengsan was split and
redrawn
Post by Goh Meng Seng
into three GRCs! But with the present status, it is impossible for them to
redraw a huge GRC consisting 5 to 6 seats into other GRCs; due to the mere
sizes. Even if they do, there is no guarantee that they will not lose. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
The re-drew Marine Parade to include Serangoon areas?
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
You can work they ground and promise all those who do so a chance at
candidacy but you may have to relook at this if a viable and dynamic
candidate puts his face forward also by working the ground too early
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
PAP
Post by ardeedee
will, change boundaries at the last minute to fend off weak areas.
Strategically, PAP cannot do anything if the GRC is not being
contested
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the past 15 years! PAP could only redraw the boundaries with
statistics
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
voting patterns revealed in precinct counting of votes in the past
election.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
For most GRCs, they lack such datas, that is why they are nervous
right
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
now.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
GRC like ChengSan disappeared overnight because they know the voting
patterns from the 1997 election, where JBJ lost by a small margin. So,
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
thought they could "RECONFIGURE" and absolve it into three or four
other
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
constituencies like Aljunied, Ang Mo Kio and Pasir Ris GRCs.
Thus, letting them know about us working on the ground of those
historically
Post by Goh Meng Seng
uncontested GRCs will not give them much advantage in redrawing the
boundaries....they don't have the most recent data to do it! ;)
But I guess, the PAP guys are thinking of using the coming
Presidential
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Election to test the ground and collect datas on the voting pattern of
various GRCs. Thus, I urge, for strategic purpose, vote the PAP man in
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
coming Presidential Election just to skew or deprive such data
collections.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
;)
Post by ardeedee
What must be done now by all opposition political
parties is to agitate for boundaries to be drawn up three months
prior
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any elections being called or else the boundaries will remain
constant
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
any incoming election.
Ardeedee, we will do whatever things positive under our control. We
cannot
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
wait for things to happen. Attacking the ground of GRC have many
fringe
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
benefits. In the process, we recruit alot of new blood and followers
who
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
share the same vision and willing to walk with us. Working as a
team,
Post by ardeedee
it
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
increases the synergies among party members, building up a strong
comaradeship. And we need these people when the elections come. For
every
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
candidate, we need at least five helpers or troopers behind him/her.
Loosing the election is not something that I fear. What happens to the
party
Post by Goh Meng Seng
after such lost battles are more worrying. If we were to build a
stable
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
and
Post by Goh Meng Seng
strong instituition, we must make sure that we could keep the team
spirit
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
intact even if we lost the election. I could tell you that many
opposition
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
parties suffered badly internally after loosing the elections. Those
people
Post by Goh Meng Seng
who stand and lost will blame each other for the lost. Many just quit,
some
Post by Goh Meng Seng
just put their names in CECs for show....etc etc. This is due to the
fact
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
that team building is a non-existence prior to the elections.
We would be successful if we could keep our team synergy and spirit
intact
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even if we lost the elections. The type of commitment we are looking
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
not merely for the coming elections, but most probably a minimum of 15
years
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of political commitment.
Single ward constituency in the midst of GRC structure, to me, is a
big
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
poison to the progress of Alternative politics. SMC is a "killing
field"
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
specially crafted out by PAP. There is no need to waste time in
fighting
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
for
Post by Goh Meng Seng
SMC seats. PAP wanted to divert opposition efforts into SMC so that
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
could win all except two of the SMC wards. SMCs are easily manipulated
by
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
boundary redrawing exercise; the fact is that they have used this
strategy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
quite successfully for the past elections; we should not fall into
this
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
trap! For those SMC which suffers close fights, they will absorb it
into
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
GRC, or certain "antiPAP" sectors being drawn into nearby GRCs. You
can
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
never win in SMC unless you are already the incumbants.
When Workers Party refocus its attention towards GRC, it got PAP
nervous.
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
That's where the real battle will be. GRCs have grown into such a big
entity
Post by Goh Meng Seng
nowadays that there are pretty few rooms for them to play around with.
Whatever "anti-PAP" sectors have been absorbed into GRCs. Imagine that
if
Post by ardeedee
we
Post by Goh Meng Seng
are going to fight in these GRCs which have over the decades,
absorbing
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
unfavourable precincts into their groups, won't they be nervous? ;)
Goh Meng Seng
PS. the fact is that even if I reveal my strategic plans here, there
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
little they could do. They have been trapped by their own cage! ;)
Turtle Soup
2004-07-06 17:26:00 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:14:36 +0800, "Goh Meng Seng" <***@cyberway.com.sg>
wrote:

Mr. Goh,

There are many ardeedee here and elsewhere, they just don't understand you,
will never understand you. There are others who think they are smart like
Kilometrico, LeComp, are really stoopid's. Even if they believe you they still
wanna freebies, like upgrades, Swiss living, etc.

Beside these groups there are others who are afraid and the afraid group are
increasing especially when the economy progressly and slowly spiraling downward.
Can you imagine being unemployed with no where to go and they would rather have
the pap even if they know that they have to suffer forever, so long they can
whines and bitch here. I support you but, alas how many will do that?

Think about it!
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Ardeedee, at this level, without more people to come forward to participate
in opposition politics, how do you expect us to provide "alternatives"? And
this is partly due to the general apathy of the population and PAP's
instilling the FEAR factor.
We are campaigning quietly alright. But at this moment, even though we are
the fast growing and most progressive alternative party right now, we are
not in a position to raise our level of political status yet.
I am in no position to represent other political parties but as far as
Workers' Party is concerned, everyone of us is working very hard right now.
You don't see it or feel it because with our limited resources, our work is
mostly localized.
Even with this localized politics, we are making them panick, nervous and
restless. Imagine that you start to see your MPs or even the anchor minister
walking the ground! MPs waking up early in the Sunday mornings just to sit
there and observe WP members selling Hammer in their turf.
We are not perfect or even strong yet, but with little, bits by bits, we
progress. We understand and know our limitations and weaknesses at this
moment and we are working towards improving it. If you are really interested
to contribute your ideas (from a minority perspective), we have an
alternative forum ready right now for your contributions. But this new forum
(unlike discuss Singapore) is not open to public, mainly to party members
and associates to discuss policy matters. Serious contributions only.
I believe in instituitional building, not just mere political participations
or even going for elections. Most of the politicians in the past (even
present) are more interested to give fiery speeches, raise issues but at the
end of the day, the party mechanism is totally neglected altogether.
Politics to them is all about "ME", themselves. This is why we ended up with
this pathetic state of affairs in alternative political parties, across the
board. Workers' Party is the very first one to realize this problem and
fortunately, we have a strong group of like minded people who are determined
to rebuild Workers' Party right from scratch, so to provide an alternative
political instituition that will outlive our own political lifetime.
Just look at SDP under Chee SJ, the past Workers' Party under JBJ or any
other alternative political parties right now, they are not building up a
strong and reliable instituition to provide Singaporeans the assurance of
having an alternative choice in coming and future elections. Talks of
Democracy is ironically, empty, if you are not prepared to spend your life
and effort to build up a mechanism that could ensure Singaporeans having the
alternative political choices.
Ardeedee, for me, it is just simple as that. No need to talk so much about
Democracy, but make sure we do our part in enhancing and building up the
substance of Democracy. Even though ironically, Democracy itself, may not
sell in Singapore's context, but if we believe in it, we build on it, not
merely talk about it.
I am very confident that there will come a time that Workers Party will be
strong enough to play a bigger role in Singapore politics; but this could
only happen if and only if like minded Singaporeans are WILLING to step
forward to engage in alternative politics. Most people want the "glories" of
standing on the stage and give speeches during election rallies, but
unwilling to contribute and work hard in building up/ strengthening the
party mechanism. It is relatively easy to fill candidates in general
elections of this sort but are we really contributing to process of
Democracy for Singapore by doing so?
Ardeedee, one thing to be sure and I am confident to promise you is that for
the coming elections, we would be fielding candidates that have done their
part on the ground, not just any dom dick or harry that walk in last minute
to sort candidacy. This may sound "insignificant" to you but for us, it is a
great step forward. For the first time in decades, Workers Party would be
able to field many candidates that have worked hard on the ground and these
candidates have their own "following" of party helpers who have followed
them throughout the process of working on the ground! WE want to field
people with dedications and passions that have been proven by their
consistency in working on the ground for a long period of time, not just
anyone that come by and knock on our doors. After having saying that, we
still need more injections of people to either to become a potential
candidate or party helpers that could support the ground activities carried
out by the present slate of candidates.
I have asked for helpers to join me in my ground work, but it seems that
nobody is interested at all. Neverthless, I carry on my ground work with
whatever resources I have and I am satisfied by the positive responses I get
from the ground. Talk is easy, but when it comes to the crunch of making
commitments and dedicate yourselves to consistent ground work, it will
differentiate those serious dedicated, passionate people from "mere
talkers".
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
As an oppositionist what have you done about it - can you raise objections
or even participate in show of dissent or even campaign quietly against
the
Post by ardeedee
imprudent or illegal decisions affecting a true democratic elections -
NO -
Post by ardeedee
so how can you lead the pack that is baying at the gates of hell.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by ardeedee
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 07:02:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Turtle Soup
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:14:36 +0800, "Goh Meng Seng"
Mr. Goh,
There are many ardeedee here and elsewhere, they just don't understand you,
will never understand you. There are others who think they are smart like
Kilometrico, LeComp, are really stoopid's. Even if they believe you they still
wanna freebies, like upgrades, Swiss living, etc.
Beside these groups there are others who are afraid and the afraid group are
increasing especially when the economy progressly and slowly spiraling downward.
Can you imagine being unemployed with no where to go and they would rather have
the pap even if they know that they have to suffer forever, so long they can
whines and bitch here. I support you but, alas how many will do that?
Think about it!
Dear Turtle Soup,


First of all, I must thank you for your support. And rest assure that there
are many people out there spontaneously expressing their support to us
during our walkabout. We will have a good fight this time round, no doubt
about that. Imagine that residents are expressing their support to us,
openly demonstrating their resentment right in front of their MP by buying
our Hammer and shaking hands with us, the ground is growing sour for PAP.
PAP got 75% of the votes cast during last election basically due to the
"shock" effects of 911. They hope to see PAP improving their lives but
instead, PAP broke their promises, one after another. They talked about
"Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" during last election, but in the end, PAP has to talk
about "Jobless recovery"! They talked about restoring the CPF contributions,
but instead, they cut the CPF further!

Singaporeans are getting restless and frustrated. Even if there is another
911, they will no longer put their trust on PAP to deliver any election
promises any more. You could only break your promises once, not twice.

For all I care, is the political development of this country. There will
always be opportunists and fools around, but let it be; that's what makes a
society interesting. ;) As long as I keep my visions and objective clear, I
have no regrets in putting at least 15 years of my life in this. Sometimes,
it is not the outcome that matters most, but rather, the process and
experiences that one gets out of engagement that matters.

We believe in Democracy in its substance, not merely talks. We put our life
on what we believe, to develop the substance of Democracy. No regrets even
if I don't win any elections in my lifetime; at least I am already making
PAP MPs work hard for their constituents and not leave them in neglect.
Whether Singaporeans appreciate this, doesn't really matters. I have my FUN
and satisfactions from it. ;)

At least we have agitated PAP enough for them to hate us for what we are
doing...making them sweat, nervous and work for their positions as people's
representatives!

This is TRUE foundation of Democracy to me. ;)


Goh Meng Seng
RoadRunner
2004-07-06 02:31:37 UTC
Permalink
In fact, the mandate will even be more resounding, if oppositions fielded
all wards. Don't be such a lousy loser, lah.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being elected or
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 03:28:09 UTC
Permalink
It is relatively EASY to field candidates for all wards than to build a
party that could function properly! There are many people out there
interested to stand on Workers Party's ticket, but we are very selective of
who we field. Whoever wants to stand as a candidate under WP's flag will
have to prove their worth by committing themselves to walk the ground.

As far as we are concerned, we are not "loser"; we won 50% of the seats we
contested. PAP lost Hougang despite all those goodies and gerrymandering;
they should feel ashame of themselves, not us. And we feel proud for the
people of Hougang who didn't succumb to such moral contaminations! ;)


Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
In fact, the mandate will even be more resounding, if oppositions fielded
all wards. Don't be such a lousy loser, lah.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by RoadRunner
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
RoadRunner
2004-07-06 03:50:43 UTC
Permalink
Don't be a spoil sport, just accept that the ruling party already have a
strong mandate from last GE and get life going.

What you need to worry now is the declining voters for Hougang from the past
two GE? WP might even lose it in next GE, just by losing a few percentage
more.

Voters are not stupid, criticism of ruling party does not win you votes.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
It is relatively EASY to field candidates for all wards than to build a
party that could function properly! There are many people out there
interested to stand on Workers Party's ticket, but we are very selective of
who we field. Whoever wants to stand as a candidate under WP's flag will
have to prove their worth by committing themselves to walk the ground.
As far as we are concerned, we are not "loser"; we won 50% of the seats we
contested. PAP lost Hougang despite all those goodies and gerrymandering;
they should feel ashame of themselves, not us. And we feel proud for the
people of Hougang who didn't succumb to such moral contaminations! ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
In fact, the mandate will even be more resounding, if oppositions fielded
all wards. Don't be such a lousy loser, lah.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by RoadRunner
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 04:28:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by RoadRunner
Don't be a spoil sport, just accept that the ruling party already have a
strong mandate from last GE and get life going.
"Strong mandate" with less than half of Singaporeans voting? You must be
kidding man! ;) Let's put it this way, the Presidentail Election is coming.
If you really want to see how "strong" PAP's mandate is, PAP recommend its
own candidate and we recommend ours. Let's fight it over! If PAP is so
confident about the "strong mandate" thing, it should not be worried about
its candidate from loosing the Presidential Election! hahahaha... I throw
this challenge and see whether PAP dares to take it up!

The fact is that PAP will not take this challenge up basically because they
know they may not have the "strong mandate" as they claim they have! The
first Presidential election conducted reflects this "TRUTH" and demolish the
"MYTH" about this "strong mandate" thing. A relatively "unknown" civil
servant that didn't even campaign for the Presidential election could get so
many votes (more than 40%!). Well, that was in 1993! You call that a strong
mandate? I think if you put any donkey to compete with PAP's man in
Presidential Election, he will get at least 40%! That's how strong the
"strong mandate" is all about! And not surprisingly, PAP no longer wants to
expose their weakness by providing "challenge" to their own people.
Hahahaha... that's how strong the mandate you are talking about!
Post by RoadRunner
What you need to worry now is the declining voters for Hougang from the past
two GE? WP might even lose it in next GE, just by losing a few percentage
more.
Don't worry about Hougang lah. We will definitely defend it well in the
coming elections. You should worry about your Aljunied GRC...in fact, your
MPs there are already worrying. ;)
Post by RoadRunner
Voters are not stupid, criticism of ruling party does not win you votes.
That's what you think. There are few segments of voters with different
reactions. But I am not going to educate you on this one. ;)


Goh Meng Seng
ardeedee
2004-07-06 12:46:37 UTC
Permalink
Presidency is a custom made post - in full costume regalia.
Let it not be contested or let their man win by a large majority so they
lull into complacency.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
Don't be a spoil sport, just accept that the ruling party already have a
strong mandate from last GE and get life going.
"Strong mandate" with less than half of Singaporeans voting? You must be
kidding man! ;) Let's put it this way, the Presidentail Election is coming.
If you really want to see how "strong" PAP's mandate is, PAP recommend its
own candidate and we recommend ours. Let's fight it over! If PAP is so
confident about the "strong mandate" thing, it should not be worried about
its candidate from loosing the Presidential Election! hahahaha... I throw
this challenge and see whether PAP dares to take it up!
The fact is that PAP will not take this challenge up basically because they
know they may not have the "strong mandate" as they claim they have! The
first Presidential election conducted reflects this "TRUTH" and demolish the
"MYTH" about this "strong mandate" thing. A relatively "unknown" civil
servant that didn't even campaign for the Presidential election could get so
many votes (more than 40%!). Well, that was in 1993! You call that a strong
mandate? I think if you put any donkey to compete with PAP's man in
Presidential Election, he will get at least 40%! That's how strong the
"strong mandate" is all about! And not surprisingly, PAP no longer wants to
expose their weakness by providing "challenge" to their own people.
Hahahaha... that's how strong the mandate you are talking about!
Post by RoadRunner
What you need to worry now is the declining voters for Hougang from the
past
Post by RoadRunner
two GE? WP might even lose it in next GE, just by losing a few percentage
more.
Don't worry about Hougang lah. We will definitely defend it well in the
coming elections. You should worry about your Aljunied GRC...in fact, your
MPs there are already worrying. ;)
Post by RoadRunner
Voters are not stupid, criticism of ruling party does not win you votes.
That's what you think. There are few segments of voters with different
reactions. But I am not going to educate you on this one. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 13:06:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by ardeedee
Presidency is a custom made post - in full costume regalia.
Let it not be contested or let their man win by a large majority so they
lull into complacency.
Well, to orchestrate such common strategy is very difficult. How to convince
hundred thousands of Singaporeans to vote against their will just to put up
a decoy?

Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
Don't be a spoil sport, just accept that the ruling party already have a
strong mandate from last GE and get life going.
"Strong mandate" with less than half of Singaporeans voting? You must be
kidding man! ;) Let's put it this way, the Presidentail Election is
coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
If you really want to see how "strong" PAP's mandate is, PAP recommend its
own candidate and we recommend ours. Let's fight it over! If PAP is so
confident about the "strong mandate" thing, it should not be worried about
its candidate from loosing the Presidential Election! hahahaha... I throw
this challenge and see whether PAP dares to take it up!
The fact is that PAP will not take this challenge up basically because
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
know they may not have the "strong mandate" as they claim they have! The
first Presidential election conducted reflects this "TRUTH" and demolish
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
"MYTH" about this "strong mandate" thing. A relatively "unknown" civil
servant that didn't even campaign for the Presidential election could
get
Post by ardeedee
so
Post by Goh Meng Seng
many votes (more than 40%!). Well, that was in 1993! You call that a
strong
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mandate? I think if you put any donkey to compete with PAP's man in
Presidential Election, he will get at least 40%! That's how strong the
"strong mandate" is all about! And not surprisingly, PAP no longer wants
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
expose their weakness by providing "challenge" to their own people.
Hahahaha... that's how strong the mandate you are talking about!
Post by RoadRunner
What you need to worry now is the declining voters for Hougang from the
past
Post by RoadRunner
two GE? WP might even lose it in next GE, just by losing a few
percentage
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
more.
Don't worry about Hougang lah. We will definitely defend it well in the
coming elections. You should worry about your Aljunied GRC...in fact, your
MPs there are already worrying. ;)
Post by RoadRunner
Voters are not stupid, criticism of ruling party does not win you votes.
That's what you think. There are few segments of voters with different
reactions. But I am not going to educate you on this one. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
ardeedee
2004-07-06 13:32:28 UTC
Permalink
Do not put up candidate in opposition of the PAP candidate for President -
simply ask for blank votes which means it is vote for conscience.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Presidency is a custom made post - in full costume regalia.
Let it not be contested or let their man win by a large majority so they
lull into complacency.
Well, to orchestrate such common strategy is very difficult. How to convince
hundred thousands of Singaporeans to vote against their will just to put up
a decoy?
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
Don't be a spoil sport, just accept that the ruling party already
have
Post by Goh Meng Seng
a
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
strong mandate from last GE and get life going.
"Strong mandate" with less than half of Singaporeans voting? You must be
kidding man! ;) Let's put it this way, the Presidentail Election is
coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
If you really want to see how "strong" PAP's mandate is, PAP recommend
its
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
own candidate and we recommend ours. Let's fight it over! If PAP is so
confident about the "strong mandate" thing, it should not be worried
about
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
its candidate from loosing the Presidential Election! hahahaha... I
throw
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this challenge and see whether PAP dares to take it up!
The fact is that PAP will not take this challenge up basically because
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
know they may not have the "strong mandate" as they claim they have! The
first Presidential election conducted reflects this "TRUTH" and demolish
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
"MYTH" about this "strong mandate" thing. A relatively "unknown" civil
servant that didn't even campaign for the Presidential election could
get
Post by ardeedee
so
Post by Goh Meng Seng
many votes (more than 40%!). Well, that was in 1993! You call that a
strong
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mandate? I think if you put any donkey to compete with PAP's man in
Presidential Election, he will get at least 40%! That's how strong the
"strong mandate" is all about! And not surprisingly, PAP no longer wants
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
expose their weakness by providing "challenge" to their own people.
Hahahaha... that's how strong the mandate you are talking about!
Post by RoadRunner
What you need to worry now is the declining voters for Hougang from
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
past
Post by RoadRunner
two GE? WP might even lose it in next GE, just by losing a few
percentage
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
more.
Don't worry about Hougang lah. We will definitely defend it well in the
coming elections. You should worry about your Aljunied GRC...in fact,
your
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
MPs there are already worrying. ;)
Post by RoadRunner
Voters are not stupid, criticism of ruling party does not win you
votes.
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
That's what you think. There are few segments of voters with different
reactions. But I am not going to educate you on this one. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 14:02:32 UTC
Permalink
Barisan tried the blank vote long ago, your idea is outdated.
Talking about opposition president candidate, hahaha,
you can't even find one who is qualified.
Post by ardeedee
Do not put up candidate in opposition of the PAP candidate for President -
simply ask for blank votes which means it is vote for conscience.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Presidency is a custom made post - in full costume regalia.
Let it not be contested or let their man win by a large majority so
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
lull into complacency.
Well, to orchestrate such common strategy is very difficult. How to
convince
Post by Goh Meng Seng
hundred thousands of Singaporeans to vote against their will just to put
up
Post by Goh Meng Seng
a decoy?
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
Don't be a spoil sport, just accept that the ruling party already
have
Post by Goh Meng Seng
a
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
strong mandate from last GE and get life going.
"Strong mandate" with less than half of Singaporeans voting? You
must
Post by ardeedee
be
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
kidding man! ;) Let's put it this way, the Presidentail Election is
coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
If you really want to see how "strong" PAP's mandate is, PAP recommend
its
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
own candidate and we recommend ours. Let's fight it over! If PAP is so
confident about the "strong mandate" thing, it should not be worried
about
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
its candidate from loosing the Presidential Election! hahahaha... I
throw
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this challenge and see whether PAP dares to take it up!
The fact is that PAP will not take this challenge up basically because
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
know they may not have the "strong mandate" as they claim they have!
The
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
first Presidential election conducted reflects this "TRUTH" and
demolish
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
"MYTH" about this "strong mandate" thing. A relatively "unknown" civil
servant that didn't even campaign for the Presidential election could
get
Post by ardeedee
so
Post by Goh Meng Seng
many votes (more than 40%!). Well, that was in 1993! You call that a
strong
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mandate? I think if you put any donkey to compete with PAP's man in
Presidential Election, he will get at least 40%! That's how strong the
"strong mandate" is all about! And not surprisingly, PAP no longer
wants
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
expose their weakness by providing "challenge" to their own people.
Hahahaha... that's how strong the mandate you are talking about!
Post by RoadRunner
What you need to worry now is the declining voters for Hougang from
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
past
Post by RoadRunner
two GE? WP might even lose it in next GE, just by losing a few
percentage
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
more.
Don't worry about Hougang lah. We will definitely defend it well in
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
coming elections. You should worry about your Aljunied GRC...in fact,
your
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
MPs there are already worrying. ;)
Post by RoadRunner
Voters are not stupid, criticism of ruling party does not win you
votes.
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
That's what you think. There are few segments of voters with different
reactions. But I am not going to educate you on this one. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 13:34:44 UTC
Permalink
This Ardeedee just cannot close his itchy mouth and talk nonsense.
What lull into complacency? They use the election to test the ground.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Presidency is a custom made post - in full costume regalia.
Let it not be contested or let their man win by a large majority so they
lull into complacency.
Well, to orchestrate such common strategy is very difficult. How to convince
hundred thousands of Singaporeans to vote against their will just to put up
a decoy?
Goh Meng Seng
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
Don't be a spoil sport, just accept that the ruling party already
have
Post by Goh Meng Seng
a
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
strong mandate from last GE and get life going.
"Strong mandate" with less than half of Singaporeans voting? You must be
kidding man! ;) Let's put it this way, the Presidentail Election is
coming.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
If you really want to see how "strong" PAP's mandate is, PAP recommend
its
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
own candidate and we recommend ours. Let's fight it over! If PAP is so
confident about the "strong mandate" thing, it should not be worried
about
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
its candidate from loosing the Presidential Election! hahahaha... I
throw
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
this challenge and see whether PAP dares to take it up!
The fact is that PAP will not take this challenge up basically because
they
Post by Goh Meng Seng
know they may not have the "strong mandate" as they claim they have! The
first Presidential election conducted reflects this "TRUTH" and demolish
the
Post by Goh Meng Seng
"MYTH" about this "strong mandate" thing. A relatively "unknown" civil
servant that didn't even campaign for the Presidential election could
get
Post by ardeedee
so
Post by Goh Meng Seng
many votes (more than 40%!). Well, that was in 1993! You call that a
strong
Post by Goh Meng Seng
mandate? I think if you put any donkey to compete with PAP's man in
Presidential Election, he will get at least 40%! That's how strong the
"strong mandate" is all about! And not surprisingly, PAP no longer wants
to
Post by Goh Meng Seng
expose their weakness by providing "challenge" to their own people.
Hahahaha... that's how strong the mandate you are talking about!
Post by RoadRunner
What you need to worry now is the declining voters for Hougang from
the
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
past
Post by RoadRunner
two GE? WP might even lose it in next GE, just by losing a few
percentage
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
more.
Don't worry about Hougang lah. We will definitely defend it well in the
coming elections. You should worry about your Aljunied GRC...in fact,
your
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
MPs there are already worrying. ;)
Post by RoadRunner
Voters are not stupid, criticism of ruling party does not win you
votes.
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
That's what you think. There are few segments of voters with different
reactions. But I am not going to educate you on this one. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
ardeedee
2004-07-06 04:14:56 UTC
Permalink
Working the ground is half the battle.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
It is relatively EASY to field candidates for all wards than to build a
party that could function properly! There are many people out there
interested to stand on Workers Party's ticket, but we are very selective of
who we field. Whoever wants to stand as a candidate under WP's flag will
have to prove their worth by committing themselves to walk the ground.
As far as we are concerned, we are not "loser"; we won 50% of the seats we
contested. PAP lost Hougang despite all those goodies and gerrymandering;
they should feel ashame of themselves, not us. And we feel proud for the
people of Hougang who didn't succumb to such moral contaminations! ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
In fact, the mandate will even be more resounding, if oppositions fielded
all wards. Don't be such a lousy loser, lah.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by RoadRunner
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 07:15:39 UTC
Permalink
You can even start the battle because you have no more tool.
Post by ardeedee
Working the ground is half the battle.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
It is relatively EASY to field candidates for all wards than to build a
party that could function properly! There are many people out there
interested to stand on Workers Party's ticket, but we are very selective
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
who we field. Whoever wants to stand as a candidate under WP's flag will
have to prove their worth by committing themselves to walk the ground.
As far as we are concerned, we are not "loser"; we won 50% of the seats we
contested. PAP lost Hougang despite all those goodies and
gerrymandering;
Post by ardeedee
Post by Goh Meng Seng
they should feel ashame of themselves, not us. And we feel proud for the
people of Hougang who didn't succumb to such moral contaminations! ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
In fact, the mandate will even be more resounding, if oppositions
fielded
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
all wards. Don't be such a lousy loser, lah.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by RoadRunner
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 07:22:09 UTC
Permalink
I always like to use the example of Vietnam war.

The Americans had all the most expensive and advanced weapons, but they
lost, why? The Vietcongs used the most primitive methods of digging tunnels
from North Vietnam all the way to Saigon!

We do not have the mass media on our side. We do not have the whole govt
machineries like RCs, CCCs on our side. What's left? WE could only use the
most primitive but direct approach! ;)


Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
You can even start the battle because you have no more tool.
Post by ardeedee
Working the ground is half the battle.
zipper
2004-07-06 03:15:08 UTC
Permalink
More than half of PAP MPs does not just "walk in". It was a walk-over. And
if you don't understand what's a walk-over, it means there is NO opposition
candidates standing against them.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being elected or
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 03:29:19 UTC
Permalink
Those MPs who walk into the parliament with the minister
in GRC have not fought their own election.
Any Tom Dick (may be not Harry) will walk into the parliament
with their minister lead GRC
Post by zipper
More than half of PAP MPs does not just "walk in". It was a walk-over.
And
Post by zipper
if you don't understand what's a walk-over, it means there is NO opposition
candidates standing against them.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by zipper
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who don't
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 04:30:10 UTC
Permalink
It is not walk-in but carried in by one single popular leader of the GRC but
then this is the name of the game - they have someone of such popularity to
carry others in.
The way to win any battle is to either hit someone at his weakest point
which is not too difficult but does not guarantee a win or beat him at his
strongest point and then he has no defences left.
Post by Lau Niu
Those MPs who walk into the parliament with the minister
in GRC have not fought their own election.
Any Tom Dick (may be not Harry) will walk into the parliament
with their minister lead GRC
Post by zipper
More than half of PAP MPs does not just "walk in". It was a walk-over.
And
Post by zipper
if you don't understand what's a walk-over, it means there is NO
opposition
Post by zipper
candidates standing against them.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by zipper
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by zipper
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 07:20:42 UTC
Permalink
Three candidates per GRC is more than enough.
PAP has deviated the original purpose of having GRC.
GRC has become a tool for PAP to carry candidates
who had failed in election into parliament.
Post by ardeedee
It is not walk-in but carried in by one single popular leader of the GRC but
then this is the name of the game - they have someone of such popularity to
carry others in.
The way to win any battle is to either hit someone at his weakest point
which is not too difficult but does not guarantee a win or beat him at his
strongest point and then he has no defences left.
Post by Lau Niu
Those MPs who walk into the parliament with the minister
in GRC have not fought their own election.
Any Tom Dick (may be not Harry) will walk into the parliament
with their minister lead GRC
Post by zipper
More than half of PAP MPs does not just "walk in". It was a walk-over.
And
Post by zipper
if you don't understand what's a walk-over, it means there is NO
opposition
Post by zipper
candidates standing against them.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Err...yes and no!
MORE THAN HALF of PAP MPs just walk into parliament without being
elected
Post by zipper
or
Post by Goh Meng Seng
endorsed by their constituents! What mandate are you talking about?
And it turns out that the in-coming PM is endorsed by these MPs who
don't
Post by zipper
Post by Goh Meng Seng
even get their own endorsement....haha...what an irony!
Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by zipper
Post by Goh Meng Seng
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by zipper
deserved it.
globalise
2004-07-06 05:07:45 UTC
Permalink
So no opposition mean everyone live happily ever after izzit ?
Post by zipper
More than half of PAP MPs does not just "walk in". It was a
walk-over. And if you don't understand what's a walk-over, it means
there is NO opposition candidates standing against them.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 02:10:23 UTC
Permalink
You don't have to insult anyone here like Ardeedee,
don't call others sewer rat, stupid etc,
Only the senior member in the GRCs and those in single constituency
are really elected,
the rest of the MPs in the GRCs are selected.
If PAP is really wanted to look after the minority,
they should have max of 3 in a GRC.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad, did
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
ardeedee
2004-07-06 04:12:35 UTC
Permalink
Yes you are stupod - because you come in like a whimpering puppy thinking
you are a roaring dragon.
Learn your stuff or read alot , or simply follow the leaders here - GRCs
have elected members unless returned unopposed and some are nominated but
never "selected" unless by the party to run for elections.
Why do yuou cite 3 members per constituency - let them field six even as
this will mean opposition can have more winning candidates if they win one
GRC.
Post by Lau Niu
You don't have to insult anyone here like Ardeedee,
don't call others sewer rat, stupid etc,
Only the senior member in the GRCs and those in single constituency
are really elected,
the rest of the MPs in the GRCs are selected.
If PAP is really wanted to look after the minority,
they should have max of 3 in a GRC.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 07:29:42 UTC
Permalink
Yes, you are expert in masturbate but
you will have no more tool for masturbate.
learn how to masturbate from "leader" like you?

You might as well have 4 GRCs only.
Three candidates means PAP cannot have so many ministers
to lead the GRC and the chances will be better for the opposition.
Three was the original proposal for GRC,
Opposition may not have so much resources or even enough
candidates to stand for the GRC.
You can't even win in small GRC, talking about big GRC.
Post by ardeedee
Yes you are stupod - because you come in like a whimpering puppy thinking
you are a roaring dragon.
Learn your stuff or read alot , or simply follow the leaders here - GRCs
have elected members unless returned unopposed and some are nominated but
never "selected" unless by the party to run for elections.
Why do yuou cite 3 members per constituency - let them field six even as
this will mean opposition can have more winning candidates if they win one
GRC.
Post by Lau Niu
You don't have to insult anyone here like Ardeedee,
don't call others sewer rat, stupid etc,
Only the senior member in the GRCs and those in single constituency
are really elected,
the rest of the MPs in the GRCs are selected.
If PAP is really wanted to look after the minority,
they should have max of 3 in a GRC.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 07:44:43 UTC
Permalink
There are pros and cons of having a smaller GRCs. But on the ideological
front, I would prefer smaller GRCs, not because it makes life easier for us
(actually, it may make life difficult for us also...), but it would have
allowed more minority candidates to be represented in Parliament... it will
represent the real percentile of minorities in our population; 25% in all.
It would mean one out of four MPs would be from the minority races.

Having smaller GRCs may mean that PAP would be restricted to the use of "law
of large numbers". But on the other hand, they may not risk loosing minister
calibre people in the event that they really lost a large GRC.

For the opposition, smaller GRCs may look good but in fact, it is even
harder for the opposition to capitalize on this because generally speaking,
it is harder for opposition to find minority candidates. Thus, for example,
now if I could find one minority candidate, I could possibly win 5 or 6
seats one shot! Reducing the size of the GRC will mean that I will have to
find two minority candidates inorder to achieve the same win....the leverage
is lower and it may hinder our progress if we could not attract more
minority candidates.

Thus, to me, either large or smaller GRCs, there are advantages and
disadvantages. But theoretically speaking, if you are talking about
preserving the spirit of minority representation as the initial proposal of
GRC set out to achieve, it should stay at 4 member GRCs.

To the PAP, we have observed that the reason for them to implement 5 or 6
member GRC is to faciliate the workloads to be shared by the MPs when the
minister is busy.

For tactical reasons, I am happy that PAP keeps the GRC size at 5 or 6; I
would be even more happy if they increase it! ;)



Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Yes, you are expert in masturbate but
you will have no more tool for masturbate.
learn how to masturbate from "leader" like you?
You might as well have 4 GRCs only.
Three candidates means PAP cannot have so many ministers
to lead the GRC and the chances will be better for the opposition.
Three was the original proposal for GRC,
Opposition may not have so much resources or even enough
candidates to stand for the GRC.
You can't even win in small GRC, talking about big GRC.
Post by ardeedee
Yes you are stupod - because you come in like a whimpering puppy thinking
you are a roaring dragon.
Learn your stuff or read alot , or simply follow the leaders here - GRCs
have elected members unless returned unopposed and some are nominated but
never "selected" unless by the party to run for elections.
Why do yuou cite 3 members per constituency - let them field six even as
this will mean opposition can have more winning candidates if they win one
GRC.
Post by Lau Niu
You don't have to insult anyone here like Ardeedee,
don't call others sewer rat, stupid etc,
Only the senior member in the GRCs and those in single constituency
are really elected,
the rest of the MPs in the GRCs are selected.
If PAP is really wanted to look after the minority,
they should have max of 3 in a GRC.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that
PAP
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 14:17:24 UTC
Permalink
Opposition can't even win in many single seat constituency
how are you going to win bigger GRC lead by a minister?
If all GRC can have only three in one GRC, then
ruling party will have the same problem in looking for minorities,
so, they will have to have more single seat constituencies.
The small GRC has become history, with 6 in one GRC,
ruling party need only 15 ministers to lead all GRCs.
opposition will be difficult to win any of the GRC.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
There are pros and cons of having a smaller GRCs. But on the ideological
front, I would prefer smaller GRCs, not because it makes life easier for us
(actually, it may make life difficult for us also...), but it would have
allowed more minority candidates to be represented in Parliament... it will
represent the real percentile of minorities in our population; 25% in all.
It would mean one out of four MPs would be from the minority races.
Having smaller GRCs may mean that PAP would be restricted to the use of "law
of large numbers". But on the other hand, they may not risk loosing minister
calibre people in the event that they really lost a large GRC.
For the opposition, smaller GRCs may look good but in fact, it is even
harder for the opposition to capitalize on this because generally speaking,
it is harder for opposition to find minority candidates. Thus, for example,
now if I could find one minority candidate, I could possibly win 5 or 6
seats one shot! Reducing the size of the GRC will mean that I will have to
find two minority candidates inorder to achieve the same win....the leverage
is lower and it may hinder our progress if we could not attract more
minority candidates.
Thus, to me, either large or smaller GRCs, there are advantages and
disadvantages. But theoretically speaking, if you are talking about
preserving the spirit of minority representation as the initial proposal of
GRC set out to achieve, it should stay at 4 member GRCs.
To the PAP, we have observed that the reason for them to implement 5 or 6
member GRC is to faciliate the workloads to be shared by the MPs when the
minister is busy.
For tactical reasons, I am happy that PAP keeps the GRC size at 5 or 6; I
would be even more happy if they increase it! ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Yes, you are expert in masturbate but
you will have no more tool for masturbate.
learn how to masturbate from "leader" like you?
You might as well have 4 GRCs only.
Three candidates means PAP cannot have so many ministers
to lead the GRC and the chances will be better for the opposition.
Three was the original proposal for GRC,
Opposition may not have so much resources or even enough
candidates to stand for the GRC.
You can't even win in small GRC, talking about big GRC.
Post by ardeedee
Yes you are stupod - because you come in like a whimpering puppy
thinking
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
you are a roaring dragon.
Learn your stuff or read alot , or simply follow the leaders here - GRCs
have elected members unless returned unopposed and some are nominated
but
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
never "selected" unless by the party to run for elections.
Why do yuou cite 3 members per constituency - let them field six even as
this will mean opposition can have more winning candidates if they win
one
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
GRC.
Post by Lau Niu
You don't have to insult anyone here like Ardeedee,
don't call others sewer rat, stupid etc,
Only the senior member in the GRCs and those in single constituency
are really elected,
the rest of the MPs in the GRCs are selected.
If PAP is really wanted to look after the minority,
they should have max of 3 in a GRC.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to
forget
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if
that
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
PAP
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the
PAP
Post by Goh Meng Seng
of
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so
bad,
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
did
Post by zipper
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer
rats
Post by Lau Niu
Post by ardeedee
Post by Lau Niu
Post by zipper
deserved it.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 14:48:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lau Niu
Opposition can't even win in many single seat constituency
how are you going to win bigger GRC lead by a minister?
If all GRC can have only three in one GRC, then
ruling party will have the same problem in looking for minorities,
so, they will have to have more single seat constituencies.
The small GRC has become history, with 6 in one GRC,
ruling party need only 15 ministers to lead all GRCs.
opposition will be difficult to win any of the GRC.
This is a misconception! Opposition of course cannot win in single seat
constituency for the fact that these wards are carefully crafted out with
statistical studies on past voting datas, so to make sure that opposition
will never win! For example, after SDP won Yishun Central, they knew the
voting patterns of the voters. For the following election, they cut away
those blocks in the precinct that voted for SDP; thus PAP won back the seat.
Even if you win this time, they will make sure you lose next time...so,
what's the point?

The fact is, on the strategic point of view, it is just silly to walk
straight into the enemy's killing field. You will be destined to loose.

People tend to think that it is difficult to win GRC; the fact is that JBJ
with Tang Liang Hong nearly won in Eunos. Francis Seow with Lee Shou Zhu
nearly won in Eunos. The myth about ministers will not loose is quite silly.
Mah Boh Tan lost to Chiam See Tong even when he was "endorsed" to be
minister calibre! If you ask Mah to go back to Potong Pasir, do you think he
will win?

Ministers are varied in their performances and some ministers are more
likeable than the others. It is about time to destroy the myth that
ministers will always win.

On the contrary, some GRCs have not been contested for decades. This will
put pressures on PAP and provide a good element of surprise to PAP. They
will be complacent off election time; many people hardly see their MPs off
election time; they don't even see them in parliament most of the time! Such
complacency by PAP MPs is a very good advantage to us. It is not difficult
to win these GRCs, even though it is led by a minister.

Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 15:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Opposition will be better in single constituency,
otherwise, the ruling party will not create so many GRCs.

Do you think putting Chiam and Low Thia Kiang together will be able
to make it in a GRC in the next election ?
Or Chiam and Low can lead one GRC each?
How many JBJ, Tang Liang Hong, Francis Seow
and Lee Shou Zhu are there?
BTW, all of them will not be available.
So who else? Steve Chia ?
There are no more well known opposition personalities.

I won't be surprise if they send two ministers to take on Chiam and Low
in the next election, now that there are so many ministers.
Don't be too sure that Chiam and Low can win.

After Cheng San, you think they can be complacent.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Opposition can't even win in many single seat constituency
how are you going to win bigger GRC lead by a minister?
If all GRC can have only three in one GRC, then
ruling party will have the same problem in looking for minorities,
so, they will have to have more single seat constituencies.
The small GRC has become history, with 6 in one GRC,
ruling party need only 15 ministers to lead all GRCs.
opposition will be difficult to win any of the GRC.
This is a misconception! Opposition of course cannot win in single seat
constituency for the fact that these wards are carefully crafted out with
statistical studies on past voting datas, so to make sure that opposition
will never win! For example, after SDP won Yishun Central, they knew the
voting patterns of the voters. For the following election, they cut away
those blocks in the precinct that voted for SDP; thus PAP won back the seat.
Even if you win this time, they will make sure you lose next time...so,
what's the point?
The fact is, on the strategic point of view, it is just silly to walk
straight into the enemy's killing field. You will be destined to loose.
People tend to think that it is difficult to win GRC; the fact is that JBJ
with Tang Liang Hong nearly won in Eunos. Francis Seow with Lee Shou Zhu
nearly won in Eunos. The myth about ministers will not loose is quite silly.
Mah Boh Tan lost to Chiam See Tong even when he was "endorsed" to be
minister calibre! If you ask Mah to go back to Potong Pasir, do you think he
will win?
Ministers are varied in their performances and some ministers are more
likeable than the others. It is about time to destroy the myth that
ministers will always win.
On the contrary, some GRCs have not been contested for decades. This will
put pressures on PAP and provide a good element of surprise to PAP. They
will be complacent off election time; many people hardly see their MPs off
election time; they don't even see them in parliament most of the time! Such
complacency by PAP MPs is a very good advantage to us. It is not difficult
to win these GRCs, even though it is led by a minister.
Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-06 15:28:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lau Niu
Opposition will be better in single constituency,
otherwise, the ruling party will not create so many GRCs.
Hahaha....that's the perception they want you and I to have! In fact, their
real fear is for opposition to provide real threat in GRC! Many people
thought that GRC is difficult to tackle, but it is not at all. If GRC is so
effective, they must well put up all GRCs instead! No need to put up single
SMCs what! The fact that they put up SMC is to lure opposition into the
killing field. By doing so, they could make opposition forever weak. SMCs
will divide the opposition parties externally as well as internally.
Different parties will fight for the limited SMCs even before nomination
day! Individuals in opposition parties will become "selfish" and fight for
SMC fieldings. It prevent opposition to develop synergies and team spirit!

Thus, SMCs are the main poisons. Those with political wisdom will see
through such ploy.
Post by Lau Niu
Do you think putting Chiam and Low Thia Kiang together will be able
to make it in a GRC in the next election ?
First of all, it is not as easy as ABC. We don't just "configure" people
into teams like that. The team building process is very important.

It will of course make a big difference if Chiam and Low are to form one GRC
team; it will become the battle of the new century. But I don't think they
would come together to form one GRC due to ideological differences.
Post by Lau Niu
Or Chiam and Low can lead one GRC each?
You know what, that's what PAP is afraid of! The logical thing to do is to
redraw Hougang and Potong Pasir into other GRCs, inorder to kill them off.
But why aren't they doing it? PAP has never been bothered with "bad
publicity" afterall!

The real reasons are that they are afraid of Chiam and Low walking out of
Potong Pasir and Hougang! They will have a big headache if both of them walk
out of their turfs! Chiam will not abandon Potong Pasir as long as it is not
being drawn into a GRC. Chiam is very much contented with his little turf.
Although Workers Party value Hougang very much as a springboard and a home
base that could provide us logistic and political support, but we are
mentally prepared to loose everything. If PAP forces us to choose the
inevitable choice, then be it. We will show hand.
Post by Lau Niu
How many JBJ, Tang Liang Hong, Francis Seow
and Lee Shou Zhu are there?
BTW, all of them will not be available.
So who else? Steve Chia ?
There are no more well known opposition personalities.
Sometimes, the most primitive methods are more effective than "well known"
opposition personalities.
Post by Lau Niu
I won't be surprise if they send two ministers to take on Chiam and Low
in the next election, now that there are so many ministers.
Don't be too sure that Chiam and Low can win.
I worry for Chiam, even if they don't send minister. Low will definitely win
convincing this time round.

But I can tell you PAP won't have such guts to do that. Which ministers, in
his right mind, would want to risk his million dollar annual pay to do this?
I don't think there are any PAP ministers with such guts, courage and
wisdom. Besides, as I have said, they don't need to risk the ministers
loosing million dollar pay; what they have to do is to redraw these two
seats into GRCs!

But even with that, they are very risk adverse of doing this. They are
afraid of Chiam or Low to lead a GRC team each to fight them on the GRC
front! If you think over it carefully, you will realize that they are more
afraid of you attacking the GRC instead of working on SMCs. That's a fact.
Post by Lau Niu
After Cheng San, you think they can be complacent.
For your information, in many constituencies, they are very very complacent.
;)

Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-06 23:16:05 UTC
Permalink
If SMC is a killing field,
Chiam and Low will not be here.
Ho Peng Kee nearly lost in SMC
Steve Chia almost captured SMC.
Be realistic, opposition is still not strong enough
to beat the big GRCs lead by ministers.
There is no strong opposition to lead election in GRC.

You said different parties will fight for the limited SMCs
that is the problem of opposition and not the system.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Opposition will be better in single constituency,
otherwise, the ruling party will not create so many GRCs.
Hahaha....that's the perception they want you and I to have! In fact, their
real fear is for opposition to provide real threat in GRC! Many people
thought that GRC is difficult to tackle, but it is not at all. If GRC is so
effective, they must well put up all GRCs instead! No need to put up single
SMCs what! The fact that they put up SMC is to lure opposition into the
killing field. By doing so, they could make opposition forever weak. SMCs
will divide the opposition parties externally as well as internally.
Different parties will fight for the limited SMCs even before nomination
day! Individuals in opposition parties will become "selfish" and fight for
SMC fieldings. It prevent opposition to develop synergies and team spirit!
Thus, SMCs are the main poisons. Those with political wisdom will see
through such ploy.
Post by Lau Niu
Do you think putting Chiam and Low Thia Kiang together will be able
to make it in a GRC in the next election ?
First of all, it is not as easy as ABC. We don't just "configure" people
into teams like that. The team building process is very important.
It will of course make a big difference if Chiam and Low are to form one GRC
team; it will become the battle of the new century. But I don't think they
would come together to form one GRC due to ideological differences.
Post by Lau Niu
Or Chiam and Low can lead one GRC each?
You know what, that's what PAP is afraid of! The logical thing to do is to
redraw Hougang and Potong Pasir into other GRCs, inorder to kill them off.
But why aren't they doing it? PAP has never been bothered with "bad
publicity" afterall!
The real reasons are that they are afraid of Chiam and Low walking out of
Potong Pasir and Hougang! They will have a big headache if both of them walk
out of their turfs! Chiam will not abandon Potong Pasir as long as it is not
being drawn into a GRC. Chiam is very much contented with his little turf.
Although Workers Party value Hougang very much as a springboard and a home
base that could provide us logistic and political support, but we are
mentally prepared to loose everything. If PAP forces us to choose the
inevitable choice, then be it. We will show hand.
Post by Lau Niu
How many JBJ, Tang Liang Hong, Francis Seow
and Lee Shou Zhu are there?
BTW, all of them will not be available.
So who else? Steve Chia ?
There are no more well known opposition personalities.
Sometimes, the most primitive methods are more effective than "well known"
opposition personalities.
Post by Lau Niu
I won't be surprise if they send two ministers to take on Chiam and Low
in the next election, now that there are so many ministers.
Don't be too sure that Chiam and Low can win.
I worry for Chiam, even if they don't send minister. Low will definitely win
convincing this time round.
But I can tell you PAP won't have such guts to do that. Which ministers, in
his right mind, would want to risk his million dollar annual pay to do this?
I don't think there are any PAP ministers with such guts, courage and
wisdom. Besides, as I have said, they don't need to risk the ministers
loosing million dollar pay; what they have to do is to redraw these two
seats into GRCs!
But even with that, they are very risk adverse of doing this. They are
afraid of Chiam or Low to lead a GRC team each to fight them on the GRC
front! If you think over it carefully, you will realize that they are more
afraid of you attacking the GRC instead of working on SMCs. That's a fact.
Post by Lau Niu
After Cheng San, you think they can be complacent.
For your information, in many constituencies, they are very very complacent.
;)
Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-07 03:20:27 UTC
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Post by Lau Niu
If SMC is a killing field,
Chiam and Low will not be here.
Chiam and Low won their seats in the infancy of the GRC cum SMC system. As I
have said, they could have gotten rid of them by redrawing the boundaries,
but they didn't, for fear of them leading GRC teams.
Post by Lau Niu
Ho Peng Kee nearly lost in SMC
That's not true. Ho Peng Kee got over 70% of votes; Dr. Poh only got 26% of
the votes.
Post by Lau Niu
Steve Chia almost captured SMC.
That's a myth also. Steve Chia got only 36% of the votes.
Post by Lau Niu
Be realistic, opposition is still not strong enough
to beat the big GRCs lead by ministers.
This is a myth too. Do you know that WP's team got over 47% of votes in
Eunos GRC back in 1991, even without Francis Seow? Minister, so what? And
for Jalan Baser in 1988, relatively unknown opposition politicians from WP
got more than 37% of the votes! Steve Chia's 36% in Chua Chu Kang showing is
really nothing!
Post by Lau Niu
There is no strong opposition to lead election in GRC.
That's the perception people have right now.
Post by Lau Niu
You said different parties will fight for the limited SMCs
that is the problem of opposition and not the system.
What I am saying is that the GRC with SMC system is designed in such a way
that has calculated such happenings. Only fools will fall for such traps.
When PAP designs a system, they take everything into considerations,
including human elements. They are quite happy to learn that most opposition
parties fall for such traps, but hated WP for hitting hard on their hollow
myths. It will be a watershed for the coming election.

Goh Meng Seng
RoadRunner
2004-07-07 04:10:22 UTC
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Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
If SMC is a killing field,
Chiam and Low will not be here.
Chiam and Low won their seats in the infancy of the GRC cum SMC system. As I
have said, they could have gotten rid of them by redrawing the boundaries,
but they didn't, for fear of them leading GRC teams.
Abandon your faithful voters behind and fight in greener pasture elsewhere!
What an ungrateful leader!
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Ho Peng Kee nearly lost in SMC
That's not true. Ho Peng Kee got over 70% of votes; Dr. Poh only got 26% of
the votes.
Post by Lau Niu
Steve Chia almost captured SMC.
That's a myth also. Steve Chia got only 36% of the votes.
Post by Lau Niu
Be realistic, opposition is still not strong enough
to beat the big GRCs lead by ministers.
This is a myth too. Do you know that WP's team got over 47% of votes in
Eunos GRC back in 1991, even without Francis Seow? Minister, so what? And
for Jalan Baser in 1988, relatively unknown opposition politicians from WP
got more than 37% of the votes! Steve Chia's 36% in Chua Chu Kang showing is
really nothing!
But anyway, SC is much better than you.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
There is no strong opposition to lead election in GRC.
That's the perception people have right now.
Post by Lau Niu
You said different parties will fight for the limited SMCs
that is the problem of opposition and not the system.
What I am saying is that the GRC with SMC system is designed in such a way
that has calculated such happenings. Only fools will fall for such traps.
When PAP designs a system, they take everything into considerations,
including human elements. They are quite happy to learn that most opposition
parties fall for such traps, but hated WP for hitting hard on their hollow
myths. It will be a watershed for the coming election.
Yes, WP did not fall into the trap, and yet almost lost the Hougang ward by
a nose, while the rest of your candidates fare even worse than before.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-07 04:26:08 UTC
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Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
If SMC is a killing field,
Chiam and Low will not be here.
Chiam and Low won their seats in the infancy of the GRC cum SMC system.
As
Post by RoadRunner
I
Post by Goh Meng Seng
have said, they could have gotten rid of them by redrawing the boundaries,
but they didn't, for fear of them leading GRC teams.
Abandon your faithful voters behind and fight in greener pasture elsewhere!
What an ungrateful leader!
Hahaha... I didn't even say Low will lead a GRC team to fight, why you so
nervous? ;) (you see, that's what they are afraid of!)

It is the party we are selling, not individuals. A well established
mechanism/instituition will not depend on few individuals, but it is the
brandname "Workers Party" that matters. We could just field a good candidate
in Hougang and let Low fight a historical battle somewhere else! ;) We will
still have 55% chance of winning back Hougang, but opening up alot of
options and imagination! If we loose everything, so be it. We keep our team
integrity intact, that's more important. If Singaporeans want to
re-experience what is it like without opposition MPs in parliament, then in
the spirit of democracy, we abide by their will. Now now, are you scared
right now? ;)
Post by RoadRunner
But anyway, SC is much better than you.
Well, sure, that's how PAP wants us to think. ;) If SC is really that good,
LKY would have paid a visit to his ward during election but no. LKY visited
Yishun (where Dr. Poh contested) and walked four blocks of flats there, at
the age of 77! ;)
Post by RoadRunner
Yes, WP did not fall into the trap, and yet almost lost the Hougang ward by
a nose, while the rest of your candidates fare even worse than before.
Well, you are right and we may just consider other options, instead of
staying back in Hougang? ;)

As I have said before, PAP should feel ashame of itself for not able to take
back Potong Pasir and Hougang despite all those juicy promise of upgrading
and goodies like NSS! It just shows that PAP has not worked hard enough to
earn the trust and minds of people in these two wards! ;)


Goh Meng Seng
RoadRunner
2004-07-07 04:42:48 UTC
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Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
But anyway, SC is much better than you.
Well, sure, that's how PAP wants us to think. ;) If SC is really that good,
LKY would have paid a visit to his ward during election but no. LKY visited
Yishun (where Dr. Poh contested) and walked four blocks of flats there, at
the age of 77! ;)
SC is much better looking than you.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-07 05:01:13 UTC
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Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
But anyway, SC is much better than you.
Well, sure, that's how PAP wants us to think. ;) If SC is really that
good,
Post by Goh Meng Seng
LKY would have paid a visit to his ward during election but no. LKY
visited
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Yishun (where Dr. Poh contested) and walked four blocks of flats there, at
the age of 77! ;)
SC is much better looking than you.
Oh, you mean this one! Well, I am quite contented with my look....at the
very least, it won't get me into trouble. ;)

Goh Meng Seng
RoadRunner
2004-07-07 05:19:18 UTC
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Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by RoadRunner
But anyway, SC is much better than you.
Well, sure, that's how PAP wants us to think. ;) If SC is really that
good,
Post by Goh Meng Seng
LKY would have paid a visit to his ward during election but no. LKY
visited
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Yishun (where Dr. Poh contested) and walked four blocks of flats
there,
Post by Goh Meng Seng
at
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the age of 77! ;)
SC is much better looking than you.
Oh, you mean this one! Well, I am quite contented with my look....at the
very least, it won't get me into trouble. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
SC is much younger than you.
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-07 05:18:33 UTC
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Post by RoadRunner
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Oh, you mean this one! Well, I am quite contented with my look....at the
very least, it won't get me into trouble. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
SC is much younger than you.
Hahaha... what makes you think so? We graduated together as the same batch!
;)

He is not younger than me, but the same age as me. ;)

Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-07 04:26:24 UTC
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Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
If SMC is a killing field,
Chiam and Low will not be here.
Chiam and Low won their seats in the infancy of the GRC cum SMC system. As I
have said, they could have gotten rid of them by redrawing the boundaries,
but they didn't, for fear of them leading GRC teams.
Post by Lau Niu
Ho Peng Kee nearly lost in SMC
That's not true. Ho Peng Kee got over 70% of votes; Dr. Poh only got 26% of
the votes.
LKY had to go there to settle the problem.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Steve Chia almost captured SMC.
That's a myth also. Steve Chia got only 36% of the votes.
Steve Chia got the highest % vote among
the seats contested by opposition

Chua Chu Kang
Steve Chia SDA 8,143
Low Seow Chay PAP 15,349
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Be realistic, opposition is still not strong enough
to beat the big GRCs lead by ministers.
This is a myth too. Do you know that WP's team got over 47% of votes in
Eunos GRC back in 1991, even without Francis Seow? Minister, so what?
There were no minister from PAP but WP still have Lee Siew Choh.
Can you wake him up?
PAP 45,833
Chew Heng Ching
Charles Chong You Fook
Sidek B Saniff
Tay Eng Soon

WP 41,673
Lee Siew-Choh
Mohamed Jufrie Mahmood
Neo Choon Aik
Wee Han Kim
Post by Goh Meng Seng
for Jalan Baser in 1988, relatively unknown opposition politicians from WP
got more than 37% of the votes! Steve Chia's 36% in Chua Chu Kang showing is
really nothing!
Post by Lau Niu
There is no strong opposition to lead election in GRC.
That's the perception people have right now.
Post by Lau Niu
You said different parties will fight for the limited SMCs
that is the problem of opposition and not the system.
What I am saying is that the GRC with SMC system is designed in such a way
that has calculated such happenings. Only fools will fall for such traps.
When PAP designs a system, they take everything into considerations,
including human elements. They are quite happy to learn that most opposition
parties fall for such traps, but hated WP for hitting hard on their hollow
myths. It will be a watershed for the coming election.
Let's not talk about Joo Chiat, Macpherson and Ayer Rajar
that were contested by Ind and DPP in 2001 GE.

Result of single seat constituencies contested
by better opposition parties are as follows:
Hougang 80% WP
Potong Pasir 52% SDA
Chua Chu Kang 35% SDA
Nee Soon East 26% WP
Nee Soon Central 21% SDP

And GRCs
Hong Kah GRC 20% SDP
Jln Basar GRC 25% SDA
Jurong GRC 20% SDP
Tampines GRC 26% SDA

The results of single seat constituencies are better than
that of GRCs contested by opposition parties.
WP did not even contest in any GRC

By the way, PAP is not going to give you more single-seat-constituencies.
So no point argue over this issue.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
2004-07-07 04:48:41 UTC
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The election results in 2001 is pretty skewed, due to three factors:

1) 911 incident
2) NSS handouts
3) Chee Soon Juan's shouting incident

You should study past datas instead to get a better idea of the "FUNDAMENTAL
WEAKNESS" of GRC. It might just be a blessing in disguise that Aljunied GRC
was not contested last elections, so that they are deprived of the necessary
datas to manipulate boundaries. This to me, is "God's will".

Of course, through GRC, PAP is playing the game of "large numbers". But if
the tide is against you, there is no amount of large numbers that could save
you from drowning. The theory of large numbers could only work well if the
players have full knowledge of distributions of votes (data) in the very
first place. But when a GRC is deprived of election for decades and it keeps
absorbing "dangerous" sectors from other wards or GRC, it will become a very
very dangerous game for PAP. ;)


Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
If SMC is a killing field,
Chiam and Low will not be here.
Chiam and Low won their seats in the infancy of the GRC cum SMC system.
As
Post by Lau Niu
I
Post by Goh Meng Seng
have said, they could have gotten rid of them by redrawing the boundaries,
but they didn't, for fear of them leading GRC teams.
Post by Lau Niu
Ho Peng Kee nearly lost in SMC
That's not true. Ho Peng Kee got over 70% of votes; Dr. Poh only got 26%
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the votes.
LKY had to go there to settle the problem.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Steve Chia almost captured SMC.
That's a myth also. Steve Chia got only 36% of the votes.
Steve Chia got the highest % vote among
the seats contested by opposition
Chua Chu Kang
Steve Chia SDA 8,143
Low Seow Chay PAP 15,349
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Be realistic, opposition is still not strong enough
to beat the big GRCs lead by ministers.
This is a myth too. Do you know that WP's team got over 47% of votes in
Eunos GRC back in 1991, even without Francis Seow? Minister, so what?
There were no minister from PAP but WP still have Lee Siew Choh.
Can you wake him up?
PAP 45,833
Chew Heng Ching
Charles Chong You Fook
Sidek B Saniff
Tay Eng Soon
WP 41,673
Lee Siew-Choh
Mohamed Jufrie Mahmood
Neo Choon Aik
Wee Han Kim
Post by Goh Meng Seng
for Jalan Baser in 1988, relatively unknown opposition politicians from WP
got more than 37% of the votes! Steve Chia's 36% in Chua Chu Kang
showing
Post by Lau Niu
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
really nothing!
Post by Lau Niu
There is no strong opposition to lead election in GRC.
That's the perception people have right now.
Post by Lau Niu
You said different parties will fight for the limited SMCs
that is the problem of opposition and not the system.
What I am saying is that the GRC with SMC system is designed in such a way
that has calculated such happenings. Only fools will fall for such traps.
When PAP designs a system, they take everything into considerations,
including human elements. They are quite happy to learn that most
opposition
Post by Goh Meng Seng
parties fall for such traps, but hated WP for hitting hard on their hollow
myths. It will be a watershed for the coming election.
Let's not talk about Joo Chiat, Macpherson and Ayer Rajar
that were contested by Ind and DPP in 2001 GE.
Result of single seat constituencies contested
Hougang 80% WP
Potong Pasir 52% SDA
Chua Chu Kang 35% SDA
Nee Soon East 26% WP
Nee Soon Central 21% SDP
And GRCs
Hong Kah GRC 20% SDP
Jln Basar GRC 25% SDA
Jurong GRC 20% SDP
Tampines GRC 26% SDA
The results of single seat constituencies are better than
that of GRCs contested by opposition parties.
WP did not even contest in any GRC
By the way, PAP is not going to give you more single-seat-constituencies.
So no point argue over this issue.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
Lau Niu
2004-07-07 05:12:57 UTC
Permalink
You can give all the reasons as if there were no other incidents
in the earlier election. Anyway, they will not give opposition
more single seat constituencies or three-seats GRC.
So no point arguing.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
1) 911 incident
2) NSS handouts
3) Chee Soon Juan's shouting incident
You should study past datas instead to get a better idea of the "FUNDAMENTAL
WEAKNESS" of GRC. It might just be a blessing in disguise that Aljunied GRC
was not contested last elections, so that they are deprived of the necessary
datas to manipulate boundaries. This to me, is "God's will".
Of course, through GRC, PAP is playing the game of "large numbers". But if
the tide is against you, there is no amount of large numbers that could save
you from drowning. The theory of large numbers could only work well if the
players have full knowledge of distributions of votes (data) in the very
first place. But when a GRC is deprived of election for decades and it keeps
absorbing "dangerous" sectors from other wards or GRC, it will become a very
very dangerous game for PAP. ;)
Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
If SMC is a killing field,
Chiam and Low will not be here.
Chiam and Low won their seats in the infancy of the GRC cum SMC system.
As
Post by Lau Niu
I
Post by Goh Meng Seng
have said, they could have gotten rid of them by redrawing the
boundaries,
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
but they didn't, for fear of them leading GRC teams.
Post by Lau Niu
Ho Peng Kee nearly lost in SMC
That's not true. Ho Peng Kee got over 70% of votes; Dr. Poh only got 26%
of
Post by Goh Meng Seng
the votes.
LKY had to go there to settle the problem.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Steve Chia almost captured SMC.
That's a myth also. Steve Chia got only 36% of the votes.
Steve Chia got the highest % vote among
the seats contested by opposition
Chua Chu Kang
Steve Chia SDA 8,143
Low Seow Chay PAP 15,349
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
Be realistic, opposition is still not strong enough
to beat the big GRCs lead by ministers.
This is a myth too. Do you know that WP's team got over 47% of votes in
Eunos GRC back in 1991, even without Francis Seow? Minister, so what?
There were no minister from PAP but WP still have Lee Siew Choh.
Can you wake him up?
PAP 45,833
Chew Heng Ching
Charles Chong You Fook
Sidek B Saniff
Tay Eng Soon
WP 41,673
Lee Siew-Choh
Mohamed Jufrie Mahmood
Neo Choon Aik
Wee Han Kim
Post by Goh Meng Seng
for Jalan Baser in 1988, relatively unknown opposition politicians
from
Post by Goh Meng Seng
WP
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
got more than 37% of the votes! Steve Chia's 36% in Chua Chu Kang
showing
Post by Lau Niu
is
Post by Goh Meng Seng
really nothing!
Post by Lau Niu
There is no strong opposition to lead election in GRC.
That's the perception people have right now.
Post by Lau Niu
You said different parties will fight for the limited SMCs
that is the problem of opposition and not the system.
What I am saying is that the GRC with SMC system is designed in such a
way
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
that has calculated such happenings. Only fools will fall for such
traps.
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
When PAP designs a system, they take everything into considerations,
including human elements. They are quite happy to learn that most
opposition
Post by Goh Meng Seng
parties fall for such traps, but hated WP for hitting hard on their
hollow
Post by Lau Niu
Post by Goh Meng Seng
myths. It will be a watershed for the coming election.
Let's not talk about Joo Chiat, Macpherson and Ayer Rajar
that were contested by Ind and DPP in 2001 GE.
Result of single seat constituencies contested
Hougang 80% WP
Potong Pasir 52% SDA
Chua Chu Kang 35% SDA
Nee Soon East 26% WP
Nee Soon Central 21% SDP
And GRCs
Hong Kah GRC 20% SDP
Jln Basar GRC 25% SDA
Jurong GRC 20% SDP
Tampines GRC 26% SDA
The results of single seat constituencies are better than
that of GRCs contested by opposition parties.
WP did not even contest in any GRC
By the way, PAP is not going to give you more
single-seat-constituencies.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Post by Lau Niu
So no point argue over this issue.
Post by Goh Meng Seng
Goh Meng Seng
Darth BiRdYz
2004-07-06 14:07:35 UTC
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Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad, did
you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
Dew ley loh moh....
globalise
2004-07-06 14:10:07 UTC
Permalink
ah, good. You are back to your oldself.
Post by Darth BiRdYz
Dew ley loh moh....
House of Chin
2004-07-07 02:42:51 UTC
Permalink
Pile of shallow minded commentary.
Post by zipper
You sewer rats here must be running all your lives in the drain to forget
that PAP is a legally elected government. You people talk as if that PAP
are in power because of some kind of military coup! Please, 70% of
Singapore put them in power voluntarily. So, stop accusing the PAP of
abusing their power. The power is given by mandate. If PAP is so bad,
did you see anyone protesting on the street like in Hong Kong?
Even if PAP is a supressive government, it is probably you sewer rats
deserved it.
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