Discussion:
Singapore Politics in a nutshell, (or, why Singaporeans never vote opposition candidates into power)
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NoPAS
2003-12-03 19:27:23 UTC
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Presenting...

A public service educational skit featuring the esteemed Mr. Robert Ho
and his sidekick, ardeedee the First.

Synopsis:
In this dramatic sketch, Mr. Robert Ho and ardeedee the First, through
example, exhibits to the rest of the ignorant world, the complex
thoughts, carefully-constructed logical underpinnings, and
bullet-proof system of reasoning (and reasons) why opposition
politicians are indisputably superior to the incumbent PAP leaders in
Singapore.

Cast:
Mr. Robert Ho as "THE BRAIN"
ardeedee the First as "PINKY"

ACT 1

*ENTER THE BRAIN from stage-left*

[THE BRAIN steps up on to a dim stage. A stooping old man with
fraying, unkempt, radiating strands of gray hair, nevertheless, he
parades about with a sense of purpose. Swirling around in an old
justice's robes, evidently borrowed from his son's recent Halloween
party, his left hand holds open _The Communist Manifesto_, and his
right hand mechanically pops in colored pills from a bottle marked,
"Generic Lithium." Every now and then, while chewing on the pills, he
looks up from the book, and stares into the audience with a knowing
smirk. A dirty, mangled, copy of _The Unabomber's Manifesto_, lined
with aluminium foil, rests on his head, doubling as a hat.]

*ENTER PINKY from stage-right*

[PINKY enters the stage by terribly slow degrees. First, a bit of
orange-colored spikes can be seen appearing behind the curtains. It
bobs around in a frenzy for a bit. Then, the object resembling an
undersized orange-colored durian reveals itself as the head of PINKY.
This darts round for a little more, before the rest of the face
appears. A massively oversized pair of glasses balancing on an
impossibly small nose marks itself as the defining physiognomy of this
individual clad in what can be best described as a tie-dyed Tee-shirt
with a picture of foodstamps emblazoned front and back, with the
message, "Man does not live on bread alone. Gimme more!" A
bucktoothed, coffee-stained, sneer, which transmogrifies into an
infantile fawning gape when he turns his gaze from the audience, to
THE BRAIN, confirms that the latter is PINKY's sole reason for
existence, and object of affection.]

*THE BRAIN continues marching around the stage, with PINKY constantly
checking his master's clothes for bugs, fleas, and food stains. Every
now and then, with a drooling grin, PINKY adds another layer of
aluminium foil to THE BRAIN's "hat," before resuming snarling at the
audience and demanding more free benefits.*

[In a sudden about-turn, with a look of thunderstruck epiphany, THE
BRAIN turns to PINKY and exclaims.]

THE BRAIN: The winds of change blow, my friend... They blow, you
know... Waiting for who?

PINKY (excitedly leaping up and down): Someone with a kite? ..........
ZORT!

---THE END---

by
Robert H. Himmler
sunspot
2003-12-04 02:26:20 UTC
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On 3 Dec 2003 11:27:23 -0800, ***@hotmail.com (NoPAS)
wrote:

As subject, from a fellow netter to another.

A chemical engineer in scs talking abt politics and taking sides, plus
now writing a play? I suppose you might have read George Orwell. Two
pieces of work are relevant to Singapore politics - 1984 and Animal
Farm. Read what the bad guys did and juxtapose it into Singapore
politics, and bingo!

One thing abt your posts so far is your arragonce. You declare your
post doctorate qualification in Chemical research, but afaik, Shell or
Exxon-Mobil doesn't do their cutting edge research here in Singapore,
neither do Dupont for plastics here - and it looks like to earn your
bragging rights, you need more studies. If these giant corporations
find a talent, they would certainly hire you for their research labs.
But honestly, politics is not your area of expertise. Nevertheless,
less of bragging will do you good and in case you didn't know, usenet
members doesn't give two peeps abt academic certificates.

Back to topic. To understand Singapore and PAP, you need to
understand raq, Philippines, and perhaps Indonesia. In these
countries, they have elections just like Singapore, but the laws and
suppression and extreme censorship were so apparent, and explains why
the Baath or Golker never lose an election when Saddam or Suharto held
reign - and their spoken words were as good as law. You think this is
good for Singapore?
NoPAS
2003-12-04 19:51:14 UTC
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Post by sunspot
A chemical engineer in scs talking abt politics and taking sides, plus
now writing a play?
I understand that it is very difficult for you to grasp the concept of
multi-discipline individuals.
It shows.
Post by sunspot
I suppose you might have read George Orwell. Two
pieces of work are relevant to Singapore politics - 1984 and Animal
Farm. Read what the bad guys did and juxtapose it into Singapore
politics, and bingo!
While I have no argument with the allusion to Orwell's 1984, I find
your choice of "Animal Farm" rather odd. After all, what you have here
is a bunch of neo-pinkos lusting after the material possessions of the
hardworking/smart/talented. The last time I checked, Singapore is not
a socialist/communist regime.
Post by sunspot
One thing abt your posts so far is your arragonce. You declare your
post doctorate qualification in Chemical research, but afaik, Shell or
Exxon-Mobil doesn't do their cutting edge research here in Singapore,
neither do Dupont for plastics here - and it looks like to earn your
bragging rights, you need more studies.
Hmm, did I mention that I am conducting research here?
It looks like you need to check the dictionary for the difference in
meaning between "consultant" and "researcher."
Post by sunspot
If these giant corporations
find a talent, they would certainly hire you for their research labs.
But honestly, politics is not your area of expertise. Nevertheless,
less of bragging will do you good and in case you didn't know, usenet
members doesn't give two peeps abt academic certificates.
Thanks for the tip, but apparently ardeedee1 does.
As I speak, he is polishing my boots now...
Post by sunspot
Back to topic. To understand Singapore and PAP, you need to
understand raq, Philippines, and perhaps Indonesia. In these
countries, they have elections just like Singapore, but the laws and
suppression and extreme censorship were so apparent, and explains why
the Baath or Golker never lose an election when Saddam or Suharto held
reign - and their spoken words were as good as law. You think this is
good for Singapore?
Really? To equate Singapore with Iraq, Phillipines and Indonesia?
Wow! That's quite a stretch indeed--even for a hallucination.

Let's see, are any of the countries you listed, on equal footing with
Singapore in terms of social infrastructure, quality of medical care,
economic infrastructure, per capita GDP?

I think not.

And corruption among the police is rampant in Iraq (under Saddam),
Phillipines, and Indonesia.
I don't seem to remember the last time I had to pay a traffic police
officer "coffee money" for a speeding ticket instead of a fine, in
Singapore.

In the end, all that is clear from your post is this: envy.

Robert H. Himmler
Zorba
2003-12-04 22:10:08 UTC
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Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
I suppose you might have read George Orwell. Two
pieces of work are relevant to Singapore politics - 1984 and Animal
Farm. Read what the bad guys did and juxtapose it into Singapore
politics, and bingo!
While I have no argument with the allusion to Orwell's 1984, I find
your choice of "Animal Farm" rather odd. After all, what you have here
is a bunch of neo-pinkos lusting after the material possessions of the
hardworking/smart/talented. The last time I checked, Singapore is not
a socialist/communist regime.
The are stating that they are not but they act like
socialists/communists.
One party rule / supression of opposition / we are the bests, etc.

(Actually your party of National Socialists was also acted like that. :)
Right-wing is often similar to the left...)

If someone understands Animal Farm that should know that it is a good
allusion to Singapore.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
One thing abt your posts so far is your arragonce. You declare your
post doctorate qualification in Chemical research, but afaik, Shell or
Exxon-Mobil doesn't do their cutting edge research here in Singapore,
neither do Dupont for plastics here - and it looks like to earn your
bragging rights, you need more studies.
Hmm, did I mention that I am conducting research here?
It looks like you need to check the dictionary for the difference in
meaning between "consultant" and "researcher."
LOL, some people may feel it is a disgrace to treat them stupid.
Last time I was trying to come with this kind of lame argument
in a debate was in the playground!
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Back to topic. To understand Singapore and PAP, you need to
understand raq, Philippines, and perhaps Indonesia. In these
countries, they have elections just like Singapore, but the laws and
suppression and extreme censorship were so apparent, and explains why
the Baath or Golker never lose an election when Saddam or Suharto held
reign - and their spoken words were as good as law. You think this is
good for Singapore?
Really? To equate Singapore with Iraq, Phillipines and Indonesia?
Wow! That's quite a stretch indeed--even for a hallucination.
Let's see, are any of the countries you listed, on equal footing with
Singapore in terms of social infrastructure, quality of medical care,
economic infrastructure, per capita GDP?
Forgive me to ask, but someone with such high qualification as you
should know the difference between equation (you know: =) and
similarity, right?

Now you
a., Don't know (=> proof that papers does not mean too much, specially
if made in US :))
b., think the rest of here are stupid and you can put something to
the other party's mouth
c., don't know the rules of debates (again...)

Which one?
sunspot
2003-12-05 01:51:07 UTC
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Thanks for confirming you have vested interest and perhaps benefit
your future career from Singapore politics. How was the tea party?
Anyways, you as a foreigner, owes this country no loyalty - ah,
remember to cross your finger when reciting the oath to obtain your
new citizenship or PR.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
A chemical engineer in scs talking abt politics and taking sides, plus
now writing a play?
I understand that it is very difficult for you to grasp the concept of
multi-discipline individuals.
It shows.
Post by sunspot
I suppose you might have read George Orwell. Two
pieces of work are relevant to Singapore politics - 1984 and Animal
Farm. Read what the bad guys did and juxtapose it into Singapore
politics, and bingo!
While I have no argument with the allusion to Orwell's 1984, I find
your choice of "Animal Farm" rather odd. After all, what you have here
is a bunch of neo-pinkos lusting after the material possessions of the
hardworking/smart/talented. The last time I checked, Singapore is not
a socialist/communist regime.
Ah, you did read Animal Farm? Tere were at least three relevant
tactics that dictator Napoleon employ (1) blaming all economics
failures not on policy but on the citizens, (2) pre-determined
arbitrary decisions with fake discussion sessions, and (3) ruling by
fear using his pack of brainless dogs to terrorise the inhabitants and
targeting opposition figures to ensure permanent rule. No relevance
you say?

Maybe not in namesake, but even communist China allows their citizens
to demonstrate. Singapore, in various respects, is WORSE than a
communist regime!
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
One thing abt your posts so far is your arragonce. You declare your
post doctorate qualification in Chemical research, but afaik, Shell or
Exxon-Mobil doesn't do their cutting edge research here in Singapore,
neither do Dupont for plastics here - and it looks like to earn your
bragging rights, you need more studies.
Hmm, did I mention that I am conducting research here?
It looks like you need to check the dictionary for the difference in
meaning between "consultant" and "researcher."
Ah, so be it. Normally, I associate post-doctorial material to
research. So you are not there yet. Fine.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
If these giant corporations
find a talent, they would certainly hire you for their research labs.
But honestly, politics is not your area of expertise. Nevertheless,
less of bragging will do you good and in case you didn't know, usenet
members doesn't give two peeps abt academic certificates.
Thanks for the tip, but apparently ardeedee1 does.
As I speak, he is polishing my boots now...
Really? I couldn't see that from his replies. Care to show us?
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Back to topic. To understand Singapore and PAP, you need to
understand raq, Philippines, and perhaps Indonesia. In these
countries, they have elections just like Singapore, but the laws and
suppression and extreme censorship were so apparent, and explains why
the Baath or Golker never lose an election when Saddam or Suharto held
reign - and their spoken words were as good as law. You think this is
good for Singapore?
Really? To equate Singapore with Iraq, Phillipines and Indonesia?
Wow! That's quite a stretch indeed--even for a hallucination.
It really boils down to personal ambitions. If you get a leader who
was elected into power, and decides that power should remain with him
in eternity, he will burn the bridge that he just crossed. For these
guys, they don't care if their rule benefits the citizens or not. All
they are concerned is their grip onto power. Once the system of free
and fair democratic election is subverted, you could get a
dictatorship under guise of a pseudo-democracy. Marcos, as well as
Suharto, did that very successfully.
Post by NoPAS
Let's see, are any of the countries you listed, on equal footing with
Singapore in terms of social infrastructure, quality of medical care,
economic infrastructure, per capita GDP?
We are talking about political structure, not economics. I expect
you, as post doctorate individual, to be able to distinguish teh
difference.

China has a free market economy, but still a communist in their
political system. Are you surprised?
Post by NoPAS
I think not.
And corruption among the police is rampant in Iraq (under Saddam),
Phillipines, and Indonesia.
I don't seem to remember the last time I had to pay a traffic police
officer "coffee money" for a speeding ticket instead of a fine, in
Singapore.
Since when does the policeman haev a say in politics and how the
country should be run? They can, as a private citizen, cast his vote
during elections - but never as a policeman. Are you sure you got
your doctorate? I am not too sure now. Show it to us, will you?

LOL!
Post by NoPAS
In the end, all that is clear from your post is this: envy.
Robert H. Himmler
NoPAS
2003-12-05 21:42:53 UTC
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Post by sunspot
Thanks for confirming you have vested interest and perhaps benefit
your future career from Singapore politics. How was the tea party?
Anyways, you as a foreigner, owes this country no loyalty - ah,
remember to cross your finger when reciting the oath to obtain your
new citizenship or PR.
Thanks but no thanks.
Your country is too small to live comfortably in.
Post by sunspot
Ah, so be it. Normally, I associate post-doctorial material to
research. So you are not there yet. Fine.
Ah, so now you are trying to weasel out by saying that a consultant
does research?
Post by sunspot
Really? I couldn't see that from his replies. Care to show us?
I'm trying to, but he insists that that he isn't done cleaning my
boots yet.
Post by sunspot
It really boils down to personal ambitions. If you get a leader who
was elected into power, and decides that power should remain with him
in eternity, he will burn the bridge that he just crossed. For these
guys, they don't care if their rule benefits the citizens or not. All
they are concerned is their grip onto power. Once the system of free
and fair democratic election is subverted, you could get a
dictatorship under guise of a pseudo-democracy. Marcos, as well as
Suharto, did that very successfully.
Oh dear me, I overlooked the fact that your personal ambitions play a
key role in this discussion.
So, pray, tell me, what is your personal ambition in this?
The last time I checked, the post of "Grand Dictator for Life" did not
exist in Singapore's political system. However, if you were to write
to your MP concerning this, I am sure that he will present the idea in
Parliment.

If the idea flies and is implemented, I nominate inviting Mr. Robert
Ho back from England to fill that position.
Post by sunspot
We are talking about political structure, not economics. I expect
you, as post doctorate individual, to be able to distinguish teh
difference.
Ah, the weaseling begins.
So your unhappiness lies with the political structure, not the
socio-economic structure.
But--get this--the complaints by the dissenters on this message board
seem to consist primarily on the lack of material wealth. How do you
explain that?
Post by sunspot
China has a free market economy, but still a communist in their
political system. Are you surprised?
Actually, that's not totally true.
China has some specially-designated free-market economy zones.
Many provinces in the country remain under centralized control.

Robert H. Himmler
sunspot
2003-12-06 01:34:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Thanks for confirming you have vested interest and perhaps benefit
your future career from Singapore politics. How was the tea party?
Anyways, you as a foreigner, owes this country no loyalty - ah,
remember to cross your finger when reciting the oath to obtain your
new citizenship or PR.
Thanks but no thanks.
Your country is too small to live comfortably in.
-Err...so you came for the fat paycheck, and you decided you can't
possibly be comfortable here? Pray, tell me, how do you feel if you
know that the the money that you are taking were sucked from the
people, from the peoples' nest egg in the form of CPF forced savings,
and for which people are reduced to one meal per day and even caused a
number into bankruptcy?

Will it be a moot point talking with you social responsibilities and
moral conduct? Well, I'd like to know.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Ah, so be it. Normally, I associate post-doctorial material to
research. So you are not there yet. Fine.
Ah, so now you are trying to weasel out by saying that a consultant
does research?
Can you read at all? I give you the benefit of doubt, and why not you
reread my post and retry (rethink, if you like).
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Really? I couldn't see that from his replies. Care to show us?
I'm trying to, but he insists that that he isn't done cleaning my
boots yet.
Ah, so you made a claim that is yet to happen and have not figured out
how to? That's disastrous for a client if a consultant adopts this
approach which is both irresponsible and unsubstianted. Are yoy worth
your salt?
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
It really boils down to personal ambitions. If you get a leader who
was elected into power, and decides that power should remain with him
in eternity, he will burn the bridge that he just crossed. For these
guys, they don't care if their rule benefits the citizens or not. All
they are concerned is their grip onto power. Once the system of free
and fair democratic election is subverted, you could get a
dictatorship under guise of a pseudo-democracy. Marcos, as well as
Suharto, did that very successfully.
Oh dear me, I overlooked the fact that your personal ambitions play a
key role in this discussion.
Ha! You came into scs to defend the PAP govt not for your personal
reasons? Tell me about it.
Post by NoPAS
So, pray, tell me, what is your personal ambition in this?
The last time I checked, the post of "Grand Dictator for Life" did not
exist in Singapore's political system. However, if you were to write
to your MP concerning this, I am sure that he will present the idea in
Parliment.
If you even have an iota of intelligence, you wouldn't have written
that. Imagine that during Saddam's rule, one of his MP goes over
Saddam and tells him he is a DICTATOR. Saddam would have him thrown
out of office, not so much for his courage, but for his stupidity to
even ask.

No one, in history, became a dictator if he listens to the people. No
one. Geddit?
Post by NoPAS
If the idea flies and is implemented, I nominate inviting Mr. Robert
Ho back from England to fill that position.
Now, that's a cheap shot.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
We are talking about political structure, not economics. I expect
you, as post doctorate individual, to be able to distinguish teh
difference.
Ah, the weaseling begins.
So your unhappiness lies with the political structure, not the
socio-economic structure.
But--get this--the complaints by the dissenters on this message board
seem to consist primarily on the lack of material wealth. How do you
explain that?
Well, I can talk economics with you if you want, but the do not even
try to distract. This topic was initiated by you and what did it say?

I am not surprised that your new master feeds you crap. Find me a
single post here, hitherto, that says he/she is complaining of "lack
of material wealth" for a start. Will you do that, at least to prove
you ain't talking nonsense?
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
China has a free market economy, but still a communist in their
political system. Are you surprised?
Actually, that's not totally true.
China has some specially-designated free-market economy zones.
Many provinces in the country remain under centralized control.
Ah, going into exceptions, eh? If President Clinton is a blowjob
lover, can I say all American presidents are also sex maniacs who
loved to be sucked? You can do better than that.

Zilch!
Post by NoPAS
Robert H. Himmler
ardeedee
2003-12-05 04:23:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
A chemical engineer in scs talking abt politics and taking sides, plus
now writing a play?
I understand that it is very difficult for you to grasp the concept of
multi-discipline individuals.
It shows.
Multi discipline braggart - who had his parents eke out a living for him to
pursue his studies and his extracurricular pursuits ?
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
I suppose you might have read George Orwell. Two
pieces of work are relevant to Singapore politics - 1984 and Animal
Farm. Read what the bad guys did and juxtapose it into Singapore
politics, and bingo!
While I have no argument with the allusion to Orwell's 1984, I find
your choice of "Animal Farm" rather odd. After all, what you have here
is a bunch of neo-pinkos lusting after the material possessions of the
hardworking/smart/talented. The last time I checked, Singapore is not
a socialist/communist regime.
We are not lusitng after the material putrsuits of others we are annoyed
that they garner to themselves by fair and unfair means the fruits of the
nation contributed by others.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
One thing abt your posts so far is your arragonce. You declare your
post doctorate qualification in Chemical research, but afaik, Shell or
Exxon-Mobil doesn't do their cutting edge research here in Singapore,
neither do Dupont for plastics here - and it looks like to earn your
bragging rights, you need more studies.
Hmm, did I mention that I am conducting research here?
It looks like you need to check the dictionary for the difference in
meaning between "consultant" and "researcher."
A consultant is conman on a big scale and paid in advance of the con.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
If these giant corporations
find a talent, they would certainly hire you for their research labs.
But honestly, politics is not your area of expertise. Nevertheless,
less of bragging will do you good and in case you didn't know, usenet
members doesn't give two peeps abt academic certificates.
Thanks for the tip, but apparently ardeedee1 does.
As I speak, he is polishing my boots now...
Come come - your qualifications are like feathers on a strip dancer - once
removed they show the ugly underside.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Back to topic. To understand Singapore and PAP, you need to
understand raq, Philippines, and perhaps Indonesia. In these
countries, they have elections just like Singapore, but the laws and
suppression and extreme censorship were so apparent, and explains why
the Baath or Golker never lose an election when Saddam or Suharto held
reign - and their spoken words were as good as law. You think this is
good for Singapore?
Really? To equate Singapore with Iraq, Phillipines and Indonesia?
Wow! That's quite a stretch indeed--even for a hallucination.
You are not getting his message - that is why I keep telling you you are
naive.
Post by NoPAS
Let's see, are any of the countries you listed, on equal footing with
Singapore in terms of social infrastructure, quality of medical care,
economic infrastructure, per capita GDP?
I think not.
And corruption among the police is rampant in Iraq (under Saddam),
Phillipines, and Indonesia.
I don't seem to remember the last time I had to pay a traffic police
officer "coffee money" for a speeding ticket instead of a fine, in
Singapore.
You mean in the short space of time 6 months in Singapore you encountered
problems with the Police?
Post by NoPAS
In the end, all that is clear from your post is this: envy.
You are typical of the PAP - those who could not cut it envy the rest they
harp -- they do not see that they are privy to info, inside knowledge on
tenders etc., using insiders, influence pedding etc.
Post by NoPAS
Robert H. Himmler
NoPAS
2003-12-05 21:29:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by ardeedee
Multi discipline braggart - who had his parents eke out a living for him to
pursue his studies and his extracurricular pursuits ?
Wait, I thought you said I had no extra curricular pursuits?
Post by ardeedee
We are not lusitng after the material putrsuits of others we are annoyed
that they garner to themselves by fair and unfair means the fruits of the
nation contributed by others.
Well, if it is unfair, you got a point there.
But why lump the fair together with it?
I still suspect a case of envy in your motives.
Post by ardeedee
A consultant is conman on a big scale and paid in advance of the con.
Well... *shrug*
You folks are still suffering from closet-post-colonial-master-worship
symptom.
A local chemical engineer says so-and-so, and the boss tells him that
he is out of his mind.
The same idea is repeated by a caucasian from abroad, and they pay
through the nose for it.

I'm not complaining though.
*grin*
Post by ardeedee
You mean in the short space of time 6 months in Singapore you encountered
problems with the Police?
Apparently, Malaysian cops like to invent bogus traffic rules to
extract money from Singapore-registered automobiles.

My point is, I have yet to observe corruption in the Singapore police
force.
Post by ardeedee
You are typical of the PAP - those who could not cut it envy the rest they
harp -- they do not see that they are privy to info, inside knowledge on
tenders etc., using insiders, influence pedding etc.
Any evidence of this?
You really should stop relying on Mr. Robert Ho as your only source of
information.

Robert H. Himmler
ardeedee
2003-12-06 02:40:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
Multi discipline braggart - who had his parents eke out a living for him to
pursue his studies and his extracurricular pursuits ?
Wait, I thought you said I had no extra curricular pursuits?
Did I say that after your posting on rock-climbing diving etc?
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
We are not lusitng after the material putrsuits of others we are annoyed
that they garner to themselves by fair and unfair means the fruits of the
nation contributed by others.
Well, if it is unfair, you got a point there.
But why lump the fair together with it?
I still suspect a case of envy in your motives.
Of course they also garner to themselves by fair means - there must be
semblance of truth to carry the untruth.
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
A consultant is conman on a big scale and paid in advance of the con.
Well... *shrug*
You folks are still suffering from closet-post-colonial-master-worship
symptom.
A local chemical engineer says so-and-so, and the boss tells him that
he is out of his mind.
The same idea is repeated by a caucasian from abroad, and they pay
through the nose for it.
Well said and I admire your integrity in admitting it let alone realising
it.
We can do nothing about it as this is as you say a post colonial hangover.
Post by NoPAS
I'm not complaining though.
*grin*
Post by ardeedee
You mean in the short space of time 6 months in Singapore you encountered
problems with the Police?
Apparently, Malaysian cops like to invent bogus traffic rules to
extract money from Singapore-registered automobiles.
My point is, I have yet to observe corruption in the Singapore police
force.
How could you if you never came into contct with them on the wrong side of
the law - but I would agree that Singapore police force generally
uncorruptible unless put in vulnerable departments such as gambling etc.
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
You are typical of the PAP - those who could not cut it envy the rest
they
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
harp -- they do not see that they are privy to info, inside knowledge on
tenders etc., using insiders, influence pedding etc.
Any evidence of this?
You really should stop relying on Mr. Robert Ho as your only source of
information.
I have evidence and there is public knowledge of a certain MP getting
contracts in power stations where he was charged and given a nominal
sentence after the charges were watered down - and I know of top corruption
in high places which were not pursued although on superficial evidence alone
there was a case to pursue in court. I want to tell you now that I was in
the Police force in early 60s and also in PSA so I know what I say - let
them come after me on this.
Post by NoPAS
Robert H. Himmler
sunspot
2003-12-06 12:27:00 UTC
Permalink
You might be discussing this with a pot-bellied fake, for all you
know. From the two threads he started, and examining the contents, he
is either out to protect the PAP, a political party, or self-appoint
himself to be de usenet moderator. Get some clarification on who he
represent - himself, or his 'party'. Heck, I bet he haven't stayed
long enough to even know about Singapore history nor the CPF screwup
nor the govt arbitrary policies forced down the peoples' throats.

Nobody owns usenet, and he better believe in that.
Post by ardeedee
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
Multi discipline braggart - who had his parents eke out a living for him
to
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
pursue his studies and his extracurricular pursuits ?
Wait, I thought you said I had no extra curricular pursuits?
Did I say that after your posting on rock-climbing diving etc?
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
We are not lusitng after the material putrsuits of others we are annoyed
that they garner to themselves by fair and unfair means the fruits of
the
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
nation contributed by others.
Well, if it is unfair, you got a point there.
But why lump the fair together with it?
I still suspect a case of envy in your motives.
Of course they also garner to themselves by fair means - there must be
semblance of truth to carry the untruth.
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
A consultant is conman on a big scale and paid in advance of the con.
Well... *shrug*
You folks are still suffering from closet-post-colonial-master-worship
symptom.
A local chemical engineer says so-and-so, and the boss tells him that
he is out of his mind.
The same idea is repeated by a caucasian from abroad, and they pay
through the nose for it.
Well said and I admire your integrity in admitting it let alone realising
it.
We can do nothing about it as this is as you say a post colonial hangover.
Post by NoPAS
I'm not complaining though.
*grin*
Post by ardeedee
You mean in the short space of time 6 months in Singapore you
encountered
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
problems with the Police?
Apparently, Malaysian cops like to invent bogus traffic rules to
extract money from Singapore-registered automobiles.
My point is, I have yet to observe corruption in the Singapore police
force.
How could you if you never came into contct with them on the wrong side of
the law - but I would agree that Singapore police force generally
uncorruptible unless put in vulnerable departments such as gambling etc.
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
You are typical of the PAP - those who could not cut it envy the rest
they
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
harp -- they do not see that they are privy to info, inside knowledge on
tenders etc., using insiders, influence pedding etc.
Any evidence of this?
You really should stop relying on Mr. Robert Ho as your only source of
information.
I have evidence and there is public knowledge of a certain MP getting
contracts in power stations where he was charged and given a nominal
sentence after the charges were watered down - and I know of top corruption
in high places which were not pursued although on superficial evidence alone
there was a case to pursue in court. I want to tell you now that I was in
the Police force in early 60s and also in PSA so I know what I say - let
them come after me on this.
Post by NoPAS
Robert H. Himmler
psycho*candy
2003-12-06 15:05:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by sunspot
You might be discussing this with a pot-bellied fake, for all you
know. From the two threads he started, and examining the contents, he
is either out to protect the PAP, a political party, or self-appoint
himself to be de usenet moderator. Get some clarification on who he
I beg to disagree with your analysis. This guy has very correctly
observed that anti-government sentiments here basically boil down to
complaints about the lack of material wealth and that most S'poreans
would never dare to risk their skin to fight against the injustice
they complain about. He has deliberately provoked all of you to
prove his point.
sunspot
2003-12-06 15:38:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by psycho*candy
Post by sunspot
You might be discussing this with a pot-bellied fake, for all you
know. From the two threads he started, and examining the contents, he
is either out to protect the PAP, a political party, or self-appoint
himself to be de usenet moderator. Get some clarification on who he
I beg to disagree with your analysis. This guy has very correctly
observed that anti-government sentiments here basically boil down to
complaints about the lack of material wealth and that most S'poreans
would never dare to risk their skin to fight against the injustice
they complain about. He has deliberately provoked all of you to
prove his point.
If that guy is here to 'moderate' this forum, he is wrong on two
points: (a) he has no business to be moderator here, (b) criticism of
govt policies, rightly or wrongly, is one major reason why ppl reads
newsgroups. If he is from USA, he should know better, and sure he has
lived in a democratic country. I simply cannot stand pretension and
hypocrisy - and we don't need a foreigner to tell us what is right or
wrong. If he has a point, peak out. His first thread insults half
the ppl in scs. Well, he is asking to be kicked in the butt.

As for your views, I'd say that in every society, there are some who
will speak up. In the heydays of British rule, LKY too spoke up
against colonialism. There is nothing wrong in this, as without
critism, there will be no progress.

Singaporeans, unfortunately, let the ruling party had free reign over
seats in parliament, etc. and were too busy working to achieve a
decent life. Unknown to us all, they were busy putting all the
controls to ensure they rule permenantly, and write all the laws. Now
what happened? They changed the election rules, your CPF savings
frozen, disallow competition in tptn, etc. The disinterest in
politics (who we elect) is now teaching us a hard lesson. Well, when
we grow old, our entire savings in CPF is as good as gone, and they
write laws and rule to ensure you get no money. That makes the people
poor. And that's why these issues must be debated and highlighted.

That poor sod - lets here where he stand.
NoPAS
2003-12-06 22:28:01 UTC
Permalink
If that guy is here to 'moderate' this forum....
psycho-candy is right on the target, you are not.

He/she not only managed to avoid the logic-trap of xenophobia, but
lept over the fatuous insecurity of loss-of-control-in-the-forum, as
well.

Thus, his/her success, and your failure.

I am not here to "moderate the forum."
Even if the task was given to me, I'm not interested.
I am about done with the project, and I am slated to leave your
country before Christmas.

To give you an idea, the blacks face far worse fates for speaking out
than your dissenters here in Singapore. Have you ever heard of any
dissenter being lynched from a tree for speaking out against a social
norm or cultural practice in Singapore? I don't think so.

This was a common fate of outspoken blacks in the past in USA (More so
in the South).
And yet, the blacks were undeterred.

Fast forward to today's Singaporeans: you fellows seem like a bunch of
half-hearted, part-time, dissenters. I bet if they quietly invoke some
kind of practice where, if it is quietly known that a dissenter's son
will be sent to Pulau Tekong for the entire 2 years instead of a cushy
job as a clerk, their fathers will give up their rights to free speech
in public, and quietly bitch about it annoymously on the internet.

Feodor Dostoevsky once said that comfort and luxury are traps. All the
power-that-be have to do is to introduce the comfort, luxury (to which
I add: convinience) to the people, and they slowly will become
necessities. And well, once it is deemed a necessity, then the masses
can't do without it, and thus, will bend over in any position to
maintain that comfort level.

The dissenters on this board are the perfect example of this.
I must admit that this little sojourn to Singapore has been more
enlightening than I predicted.
It makes me value my American citizenship all the more.

And thus ends my little amateur experiment in sociology....

Have a merry Christmas, gentlemen.

Robert. H. Himmler
sunspot
2003-12-07 02:39:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoPAS
If that guy is here to 'moderate' this forum....
psycho-candy is right on the target, you are not.
He/she not only managed to avoid the logic-trap of xenophobia, but
lept over the fatuous insecurity of loss-of-control-in-the-forum, as
well.
Thus, his/her success, and your failure.
A people impoverished by their own govt (mind you, not invaders) and
apparently showing up to be self serving. Do you know that the
ministers here, despite public dissent, went on to increase their own
salaries to obsene amounts? Our PM is drawing seven times more than
the USA President? This clearly shows power has been abused and self
interest put above national interest. You call this good government?

Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking about,
huh?
Post by NoPAS
I am not here to "moderate the forum."
Even if the task was given to me, I'm not interested.
Than, wtf you write about how posters present their identity? If you
participate in debate topic, you're welcomed, but if you are here to
flame posters instead of contributing to topic then you are sorely
mistaken. Read up usenet culture, then come back here. Sheesh!
Post by NoPAS
I am about done with the project, and I am slated to leave your
country before Christmas.
To give you an idea, the blacks face far worse fates for speaking out
than your dissenters here in Singapore. Have you ever heard of any
dissenter being lynched from a tree for speaking out against a social
norm or cultural practice in Singapore? I don't think so.
This was a common fate of outspoken blacks in the past in USA (More so
in the South).
And yet, the blacks were undeterred.
Fast forward to today's Singaporeans: you fellows seem like a bunch of
half-hearted, part-time, dissenters.
Its no use putting a label 'dissenter' on us. We are the people of
the land, here to share views, compare notes, criticize events and
policies, talk of our likes and dislikes, or even seek advice on life
or buying a new car. You call us dissenters? Shit on you, buddy. If
you wear your dark sunglasses all day and night, then you ain't gonna
see the light.
Post by NoPAS
I bet if they quietly invoke some
kind of practice where, if it is quietly known that a dissenter's son
will be sent to Pulau Tekong for the entire 2 years instead of a cushy
job as a clerk, their fathers will give up their rights to free speech
in public, and quietly bitch about it annoymously on the internet.
Ah, dissenter again? Let me tell you that Lee Kuan Yew was also a
dissenter, spoke up against the ruling party (British colonists) and
promised democracy upon independence. The British were accomodating
and not having him shipped to England, locked up and throw the key
away. They listened, debated, and felt he has a point. But of
course, he didn't keep his word on democracy for Singapore. In fact,
he strongly spoke up against censorship, and this year this small
island is rated 144th in press freedom (worse than Rwanda!) in the
world. See, that is hypocrisy and lies from this govt. How much do
you know about our history, our problems, our dictatorship? You know
nuts!
Post by NoPAS
Feodor Dostoevsky once said that comfort and luxury are traps. All the
power-that-be have to do is to introduce the comfort, luxury (to which
I add: convinience) to the people, and they slowly will become
necessities. And well, once it is deemed a necessity, then the masses
can't do without it, and thus, will bend over in any position to
maintain that comfort level.
Here, it again shows your ignorance in Singapore. The govt disallow
free market competition, skewed price mechanism, adopt protectionism,
etc. so much so that you pay whatever they wanted. Most Singaporeans
are rich only on paper, in form of CPF savings which they suffer
monthly mandatory cuts, and when they retire - they couldn't get the
money - their own savings. There is apparent abuse by the govt. Your
view is that of a free market mechanism practised by many countries,
yet did not realise it was being manipulated to serve the ruling
party, therefore impoverishing the peasants. I don't blame a
foreigner for not knowing all this, but don't come here to scream
about something you did not know. Geddit?
Post by NoPAS
The dissenters on this board are the perfect example of this.
I must admit that this little sojourn to Singapore has been more
enlightening than I predicted.
Name calling again? In the US will you be arrested by criticising
Bush or his policies? If not, what's your beef?
Post by NoPAS
It makes me value my American citizenship all the more.
If you have the commitment and time, do fight for true democracy for
this tiny island. Nobody likes a dictatorship, and I'd be surprised
if you are trying to defend one. If you think the govt is an honest
one here, you haven't been in Singapore long enough. Stay on the
sidelines and read scs for a bit longer and you will see the light.
This govt is perfectly capable of abusing their own citizens. You
defending these assholes?

What you read from teh news here and what you see on the surface ain't
the real thing. You didn't realise the patronism and deceptions yet.
If we the people, the disadvantaged, don't speak up, who will??

In all soc groups in usenet, try to find the real cause why scs has
the most anonymous users and one that heavily criticize their own
govt. There must be a reason.
Post by NoPAS
And thus ends my little amateur experiment in sociology....
Well then, have a pleasant trip home. Cheers!
Post by NoPAS
Have a merry Christmas, gentlemen.
Robert. H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
ardeedee
2003-12-07 06:45:46 UTC
Permalink
What he is saying is right we see the problems and the
solutions but we have not the guts to fight and be martyrs for our cause.
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
If that guy is here to 'moderate' this forum....
psycho-candy is right on the target, you are not.
He/she not only managed to avoid the logic-trap of xenophobia, but
lept over the fatuous insecurity of loss-of-control-in-the-forum, as
well.
Thus, his/her success, and your failure.
A people impoverished by their own govt (mind you, not invaders) and
apparently showing up to be self serving. Do you know that the
ministers here, despite public dissent, went on to increase their own
salaries to obsene amounts? Our PM is drawing seven times more than
the USA President? This clearly shows power has been abused and self
interest put above national interest. You call this good government?
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking about,
huh?
Post by NoPAS
I am not here to "moderate the forum."
Even if the task was given to me, I'm not interested.
Than, wtf you write about how posters present their identity? If you
participate in debate topic, you're welcomed, but if you are here to
flame posters instead of contributing to topic then you are sorely
mistaken. Read up usenet culture, then come back here. Sheesh!
Post by NoPAS
I am about done with the project, and I am slated to leave your
country before Christmas.
To give you an idea, the blacks face far worse fates for speaking out
than your dissenters here in Singapore. Have you ever heard of any
dissenter being lynched from a tree for speaking out against a social
norm or cultural practice in Singapore? I don't think so.
This was a common fate of outspoken blacks in the past in USA (More so
in the South).
And yet, the blacks were undeterred.
Fast forward to today's Singaporeans: you fellows seem like a bunch of
half-hearted, part-time, dissenters.
Its no use putting a label 'dissenter' on us. We are the people of
the land, here to share views, compare notes, criticize events and
policies, talk of our likes and dislikes, or even seek advice on life
or buying a new car. You call us dissenters? Shit on you, buddy. If
you wear your dark sunglasses all day and night, then you ain't gonna
see the light.
Post by NoPAS
I bet if they quietly invoke some
kind of practice where, if it is quietly known that a dissenter's son
will be sent to Pulau Tekong for the entire 2 years instead of a cushy
job as a clerk, their fathers will give up their rights to free speech
in public, and quietly bitch about it annoymously on the internet.
Ah, dissenter again? Let me tell you that Lee Kuan Yew was also a
dissenter, spoke up against the ruling party (British colonists) and
promised democracy upon independence. The British were accomodating
and not having him shipped to England, locked up and throw the key
away. They listened, debated, and felt he has a point. But of
course, he didn't keep his word on democracy for Singapore. In fact,
he strongly spoke up against censorship, and this year this small
island is rated 144th in press freedom (worse than Rwanda!) in the
world. See, that is hypocrisy and lies from this govt. How much do
you know about our history, our problems, our dictatorship? You know
nuts!
Post by NoPAS
Feodor Dostoevsky once said that comfort and luxury are traps. All the
power-that-be have to do is to introduce the comfort, luxury (to which
I add: convinience) to the people, and they slowly will become
necessities. And well, once it is deemed a necessity, then the masses
can't do without it, and thus, will bend over in any position to
maintain that comfort level.
Here, it again shows your ignorance in Singapore. The govt disallow
free market competition, skewed price mechanism, adopt protectionism,
etc. so much so that you pay whatever they wanted. Most Singaporeans
are rich only on paper, in form of CPF savings which they suffer
monthly mandatory cuts, and when they retire - they couldn't get the
money - their own savings. There is apparent abuse by the govt. Your
view is that of a free market mechanism practised by many countries,
yet did not realise it was being manipulated to serve the ruling
party, therefore impoverishing the peasants. I don't blame a
foreigner for not knowing all this, but don't come here to scream
about something you did not know. Geddit?
Post by NoPAS
The dissenters on this board are the perfect example of this.
I must admit that this little sojourn to Singapore has been more
enlightening than I predicted.
Name calling again? In the US will you be arrested by criticising
Bush or his policies? If not, what's your beef?
Post by NoPAS
It makes me value my American citizenship all the more.
If you have the commitment and time, do fight for true democracy for
this tiny island. Nobody likes a dictatorship, and I'd be surprised
if you are trying to defend one. If you think the govt is an honest
one here, you haven't been in Singapore long enough. Stay on the
sidelines and read scs for a bit longer and you will see the light.
This govt is perfectly capable of abusing their own citizens. You
defending these assholes?
What you read from teh news here and what you see on the surface ain't
the real thing. You didn't realise the patronism and deceptions yet.
If we the people, the disadvantaged, don't speak up, who will??
In all soc groups in usenet, try to find the real cause why scs has
the most anonymous users and one that heavily criticize their own
govt. There must be a reason.
Post by NoPAS
And thus ends my little amateur experiment in sociology....
Well then, have a pleasant trip home. Cheers!
Post by NoPAS
Have a merry Christmas, gentlemen.
Robert. H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
Observer
2003-12-07 10:10:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by ardeedee
What he is saying is right we see the problems and the
solutions but we have not the guts to fight and be martyrs for our cause.
Who's "we"...shithead...
Do you claim to represent Singaporeans now?....
Whats stopping you from sticking your own
neck all this while?

Chinese feudalism?....

What a coward shithead who's main agenda
is to provoke others to get into trouble
whilst he plans his game to try to be einstated to
his cushy job with the government ...who probably have
seen his game all along......LOL
Post by ardeedee
Post by NoPAS
If that guy is here to 'moderate' this forum....
psycho-candy is right on the target, you are not.
ardeedee
2003-12-07 18:52:50 UTC
Permalink
Are you telling us you represent the Muslim Malays and the has-been
journalists - and that you are intelligent enough to
see throuhg the PAP or that they saw through you as nothing but a punk and a
head with an IQ of a punk.
Post by Observer
Post by ardeedee
What he is saying is right we see the problems and the
solutions but we have not the guts to fight and be martyrs for our cause.
Who's "we"...shithead...
Do you claim to represent Singaporeans now?....
Whats stopping you from sticking your own
neck all this while?
Chinese feudalism?....
What a coward shithead who's main agenda
is to provoke others to get into trouble
whilst he plans his game to try to be einstated to
his cushy job with the government ...who probably have
seen his game all along......LOL
Post by ardeedee
Post by NoPAS
If that guy is here to 'moderate' this forum....
psycho-candy is right on the target, you are not.
NoPAS
2003-12-07 10:37:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking about,
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia

Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.

See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no foot.

Here's another one: Further educate yourself.

Merry Christmas!

Robert H. Himmler
sunspot
2003-12-08 07:48:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking about,
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia
Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.
See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Here's another one: Further educate yourself.
Well, found a minute loophole to make your getaway? Competence in
english language is never a prerequisite in usenet. I routinely
murder grammar in my posts. Also, scs is really a singlish forum, if
you know what I mean. LOL!

Look deeper into the system here and don't be fooled by the window
dressing so laborously set up by the govt here over the years. Do you
know our PM threatened voters to turn their homes into slums if they
don't vote PAP during the last election? If you had supported PAP
oppressive policies, you would too support Saddam Hussein or Mugabe or
any of the few dictators left on this planet.

Some food for thought though - I haven't seen a dictator removed via
the ballot box. Most dictators were removed by bullets - such as
Bangladesh, Pakistan or Russia. Therefore, I believe in karma.

Next time, learn from Santa instead of Shylock. Say hello to Santa
for me, okie?
Post by NoPAS
Merry Christmas!
Robert H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
ardeedee
2003-12-08 11:58:07 UTC
Permalink
Suharto and Marcos were not removed by bullets but by
simple demonstrations.
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking about,
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia
Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.
See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Here's another one: Further educate yourself.
Well, found a minute loophole to make your getaway? Competence in
english language is never a prerequisite in usenet. I routinely
murder grammar in my posts. Also, scs is really a singlish forum, if
you know what I mean. LOL!
Look deeper into the system here and don't be fooled by the window
dressing so laborously set up by the govt here over the years. Do you
know our PM threatened voters to turn their homes into slums if they
don't vote PAP during the last election? If you had supported PAP
oppressive policies, you would too support Saddam Hussein or Mugabe or
any of the few dictators left on this planet.
Some food for thought though - I haven't seen a dictator removed via
the ballot box. Most dictators were removed by bullets - such as
Bangladesh, Pakistan or Russia. Therefore, I believe in karma.
Next time, learn from Santa instead of Shylock. Say hello to Santa
for me, okie?
Post by NoPAS
Merry Christmas!
Robert H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
sunspot
2003-12-08 13:28:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by ardeedee
Suharto and Marcos were not removed by bullets but by
simple demonstrations.
Right. I said 'most' of them, not all. All the same, Suharto and
Marcos were forcibly removed. They won, and will continue winning
elections, if they remain as the executive power - simply because they
fixed/rigged/manipulated the elections.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking about,
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia
Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.
See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Here's another one: Further educate yourself.
Well, found a minute loophole to make your getaway? Competence in
english language is never a prerequisite in usenet. I routinely
murder grammar in my posts. Also, scs is really a singlish forum, if
you know what I mean. LOL!
Look deeper into the system here and don't be fooled by the window
dressing so laborously set up by the govt here over the years. Do you
know our PM threatened voters to turn their homes into slums if they
don't vote PAP during the last election? If you had supported PAP
oppressive policies, you would too support Saddam Hussein or Mugabe or
any of the few dictators left on this planet.
Some food for thought though - I haven't seen a dictator removed via
the ballot box. Most dictators were removed by bullets - such as
Bangladesh, Pakistan or Russia. Therefore, I believe in karma.
Next time, learn from Santa instead of Shylock. Say hello to Santa
for me, okie?
Post by NoPAS
Merry Christmas!
Robert H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
ardeedee
2003-12-09 02:42:18 UTC
Permalink
Which dictators that you can enumerate were removed at the point of a gun?
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Suharto and Marcos were not removed by bullets but by
simple demonstrations.
Right. I said 'most' of them, not all. All the same, Suharto and
Marcos were forcibly removed. They won, and will continue winning
elections, if they remain as the executive power - simply because they
fixed/rigged/manipulated the elections.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking about,
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia
Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.
See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Here's another one: Further educate yourself.
Well, found a minute loophole to make your getaway? Competence in
english language is never a prerequisite in usenet. I routinely
murder grammar in my posts. Also, scs is really a singlish forum, if
you know what I mean. LOL!
Look deeper into the system here and don't be fooled by the window
dressing so laborously set up by the govt here over the years. Do you
know our PM threatened voters to turn their homes into slums if they
don't vote PAP during the last election? If you had supported PAP
oppressive policies, you would too support Saddam Hussein or Mugabe or
any of the few dictators left on this planet.
Some food for thought though - I haven't seen a dictator removed via
the ballot box. Most dictators were removed by bullets - such as
Bangladesh, Pakistan or Russia. Therefore, I believe in karma.
Next time, learn from Santa instead of Shylock. Say hello to Santa
for me, okie?
Post by NoPAS
Merry Christmas!
Robert H. Himmler
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**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
sunspot
2003-12-09 05:40:34 UTC
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Post by ardeedee
Which dictators that you can enumerate were removed at the point of a gun?
Ok, lets go into academics.

This isn't going to be comprehensive, but look at the countires I
mentioned. It goes back to ancient history, most well known being
Julius Caesar "et tu Brutus". Ouch! It might be a better word to write
"died violently" as some were assassinated or lynched, like Mussolini
of Italy. Hitler committed suicide. A lot more fled their homes,
like Idi Amin, Marcos, etc. They never have good ends. Not on their
life.

Will Singapore dictator govt (PM, ministers n MPs) ever learn from
history. There is always a price for their actions. Are they willing
to pay that price? Are they on the side of good or bad? The people
will decide, not them.

Democratic politics is about peaceful transition of power, and once
this is subverted, the only means is by force. Can you think of any
other way?

Besides Lenin and Stalin, the monsters, two other nations had a
tradition of dictatorships:

1) Pakistan:

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
President of Pakistan (1973-78)
Declared martial law, suppressing dissent, jailing opponents.
Shot and killed by army officers in 1979.

Zia-ul-Haq, Mohammad
President of Pakistan (1978-88)
Ruled with iron hand with dictatorial powers. Imposed Islamic law.
He died in an airplane crash (suspected sabotage) in 1988.

2) Bangladesh:

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
President of Bangladesh (1973-75)
Dictatorship, corruption and nepotism infuriated the people.
Army officers shot him, along with his family members in 1975.

General Zia ur-Rahman
President of Bangladesh (1975-81)
Tyrannical rule.
Gunned down in military coup.

The other suppressive dictator, Pres Ershad, voluntarily stepped down
after huge protests, and was spared his life. He however was
sentenced to jail.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Suharto and Marcos were not removed by bullets but by
simple demonstrations.
Right. I said 'most' of them, not all. All the same, Suharto and
Marcos were forcibly removed. They won, and will continue winning
elections, if they remain as the executive power - simply because they
fixed/rigged/manipulated the elections.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking
about,
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia
Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.
See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Here's another one: Further educate yourself.
Well, found a minute loophole to make your getaway? Competence in
english language is never a prerequisite in usenet. I routinely
murder grammar in my posts. Also, scs is really a singlish forum, if
you know what I mean. LOL!
Look deeper into the system here and don't be fooled by the window
dressing so laborously set up by the govt here over the years. Do you
know our PM threatened voters to turn their homes into slums if they
don't vote PAP during the last election? If you had supported PAP
oppressive policies, you would too support Saddam Hussein or Mugabe or
any of the few dictators left on this planet.
Some food for thought though - I haven't seen a dictator removed via
the ballot box. Most dictators were removed by bullets - such as
Bangladesh, Pakistan or Russia. Therefore, I believe in karma.
Next time, learn from Santa instead of Shylock. Say hello to Santa
for me, okie?
Post by NoPAS
Merry Christmas!
Robert H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
ardeedee
2003-12-09 06:18:57 UTC
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Most of those do not consider themselves dictators - they held elections
which they considered democratic as in Singapore but they won each time -
Julius Caesar was a dictator? Caesars were appointed by the Senate?

Marcos agreed was a dictator but Suharto held elections also.
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Which dictators that you can enumerate were removed at the point of a gun?
Ok, lets go into academics.
This isn't going to be comprehensive, but look at the countires I
mentioned. It goes back to ancient history, most well known being
Julius Caesar "et tu Brutus". Ouch! It might be a better word to write
"died violently" as some were assassinated or lynched, like Mussolini
of Italy. Hitler committed suicide. A lot more fled their homes,
like Idi Amin, Marcos, etc. They never have good ends. Not on their
life.
Will Singapore dictator govt (PM, ministers n MPs) ever learn from
history. There is always a price for their actions. Are they willing
to pay that price? Are they on the side of good or bad? The people
will decide, not them.
Democratic politics is about peaceful transition of power, and once
this is subverted, the only means is by force. Can you think of any
other way?
Besides Lenin and Stalin, the monsters, two other nations had a
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
President of Pakistan (1973-78)
Declared martial law, suppressing dissent, jailing opponents.
Shot and killed by army officers in 1979.
Zia-ul-Haq, Mohammad
President of Pakistan (1978-88)
Ruled with iron hand with dictatorial powers. Imposed Islamic law.
He died in an airplane crash (suspected sabotage) in 1988.
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
President of Bangladesh (1973-75)
Dictatorship, corruption and nepotism infuriated the people.
Army officers shot him, along with his family members in 1975.
General Zia ur-Rahman
President of Bangladesh (1975-81)
Tyrannical rule.
Gunned down in military coup.
The other suppressive dictator, Pres Ershad, voluntarily stepped down
after huge protests, and was spared his life. He however was
sentenced to jail.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Suharto and Marcos were not removed by bullets but by
simple demonstrations.
Right. I said 'most' of them, not all. All the same, Suharto and
Marcos were forcibly removed. They won, and will continue winning
elections, if they remain as the executive power - simply because they
fixed/rigged/manipulated the elections.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is not
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking
about,
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia
Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.
See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Here's another one: Further educate yourself.
Well, found a minute loophole to make your getaway? Competence in
english language is never a prerequisite in usenet. I routinely
murder grammar in my posts. Also, scs is really a singlish forum, if
you know what I mean. LOL!
Look deeper into the system here and don't be fooled by the window
dressing so laborously set up by the govt here over the years. Do you
know our PM threatened voters to turn their homes into slums if they
don't vote PAP during the last election? If you had supported PAP
oppressive policies, you would too support Saddam Hussein or Mugabe or
any of the few dictators left on this planet.
Some food for thought though - I haven't seen a dictator removed via
the ballot box. Most dictators were removed by bullets - such as
Bangladesh, Pakistan or Russia. Therefore, I believe in karma.
Next time, learn from Santa instead of Shylock. Say hello to Santa
for me, okie?
Post by NoPAS
Merry Christmas!
Robert H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
sunspot
2003-12-09 06:46:51 UTC
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Post by ardeedee
Most of those do not consider themselves dictators - they held elections
which they considered democratic as in Singapore but they won each time -
Julius Caesar was a dictator? Caesars were appointed by the Senate?
Marcos agreed was a dictator but Suharto held elections also.
Well...let history judge them. Saddam, without fail, holds elections
too, you know.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Which dictators that you can enumerate were removed at the point of a
gun?
Post by sunspot
Ok, lets go into academics.
This isn't going to be comprehensive, but look at the countires I
mentioned. It goes back to ancient history, most well known being
Julius Caesar "et tu Brutus". Ouch! It might be a better word to write
"died violently" as some were assassinated or lynched, like Mussolini
of Italy. Hitler committed suicide. A lot more fled their homes,
like Idi Amin, Marcos, etc. They never have good ends. Not on their
life.
Will Singapore dictator govt (PM, ministers n MPs) ever learn from
history. There is always a price for their actions. Are they willing
to pay that price? Are they on the side of good or bad? The people
will decide, not them.
Democratic politics is about peaceful transition of power, and once
this is subverted, the only means is by force. Can you think of any
other way?
Besides Lenin and Stalin, the monsters, two other nations had a
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
President of Pakistan (1973-78)
Declared martial law, suppressing dissent, jailing opponents.
Shot and killed by army officers in 1979.
Zia-ul-Haq, Mohammad
President of Pakistan (1978-88)
Ruled with iron hand with dictatorial powers. Imposed Islamic law.
He died in an airplane crash (suspected sabotage) in 1988.
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
President of Bangladesh (1973-75)
Dictatorship, corruption and nepotism infuriated the people.
Army officers shot him, along with his family members in 1975.
General Zia ur-Rahman
President of Bangladesh (1975-81)
Tyrannical rule.
Gunned down in military coup.
The other suppressive dictator, Pres Ershad, voluntarily stepped down
after huge protests, and was spared his life. He however was
sentenced to jail.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Suharto and Marcos were not removed by bullets but by
simple demonstrations.
Right. I said 'most' of them, not all. All the same, Suharto and
Marcos were forcibly removed. They won, and will continue winning
elections, if they remain as the executive power - simply because they
fixed/rigged/manipulated the elections.
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
Also, xenophobia is about race discrimination. So for this is
not
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
even related to topic. DO you really know what you are talking
about,
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
huh?
No, you are wrong.
"Xenophobia" isn't about race discrimination.
"Xenophobia" is the unreasonable fear or contempt of that which is
foreign.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobia
Are all Singaporean dissenters of your (defective) quality?
If the answer is in the affirmative, then it is no wonder that very
few on your sunny island ever voted for the opposition all these
years.
See? You should have taken my advice: A closed mouth gathers no
foot.
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by NoPAS
Here's another one: Further educate yourself.
Well, found a minute loophole to make your getaway? Competence in
english language is never a prerequisite in usenet. I routinely
murder grammar in my posts. Also, scs is really a singlish forum,
if
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
you know what I mean. LOL!
Look deeper into the system here and don't be fooled by the window
dressing so laborously set up by the govt here over the years. Do
you
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
know our PM threatened voters to turn their homes into slums if they
don't vote PAP during the last election? If you had supported PAP
oppressive policies, you would too support Saddam Hussein or Mugabe
or
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
Post by ardeedee
Post by sunspot
any of the few dictators left on this planet.
Some food for thought though - I haven't seen a dictator removed via
the ballot box. Most dictators were removed by bullets - such as
Bangladesh, Pakistan or Russia. Therefore, I believe in karma.
Next time, learn from Santa instead of Shylock. Say hello to Santa
for me, okie?
Post by NoPAS
Merry Christmas!
Robert H. Himmler
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
ardeedee
2003-12-07 06:43:19 UTC
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Post by NoPAS
If that guy is here to 'moderate' this forum....
psycho-candy is right on the target, you are not.
He/she not only managed to avoid the logic-trap of xenophobia, but
lept over the fatuous insecurity of loss-of-control-in-the-forum, as
well.
Thus, his/her success, and your failure.
I am not here to "moderate the forum."
Even if the task was given to me, I'm not interested.
I am about done with the project, and I am slated to leave your
country before Christmas.
To give you an idea, the blacks face far worse fates for speaking out
than your dissenters here in Singapore. Have you ever heard of any
dissenter being lynched from a tree for speaking out against a social
norm or cultural practice in Singapore? I don't think so.
They do not get lynched but the tree gets felled the next day and they get
charged for defacing the tree.
Post by NoPAS
This was a common fate of outspoken blacks in the past in USA (More so
in the South).
And yet, the blacks were undeterred.
Fast forward to today's Singaporeans: you fellows seem like a bunch of
half-hearted, part-time, dissenters. I bet if they quietly invoke some
kind of practice where, if it is quietly known that a dissenter's son
will be sent to Pulau Tekong for the entire 2 years instead of a cushy
job as a clerk, their fathers will give up their rights to free speech
in public, and quietly bitch about it annoymously on the internet.
This is the scenario now.
Post by NoPAS
Feodor Dostoevsky once said that comfort and luxury are traps. All the
power-that-be have to do is to introduce the comfort, luxury (to which
I add: convinience) to the people, and they slowly will become
necessities. And well, once it is deemed a necessity, then the masses
can't do without it, and thus, will bend over in any position to
maintain that comfort level.
The dissenters on this board are the perfect example of this.
I must admit that this little sojourn to Singapore has been more
enlightening than I predicted.
It makes me value my American citizenship all the more.
Yes of course but our comfort zones are our home environment and it is these
environments that will be taken away. I am one without comfort zones but who
cares.
Post by NoPAS
And thus ends my little amateur experiment in sociology....
Have a merry Christmas, gentlemen.
Robert. H. Himmler
NoPAS
2003-12-06 21:59:56 UTC
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Post by sunspot
You might be discussing this with a pot-bellied fake, for all you
know. From the two threads he started, and examining the contents, he
is either out to protect the PAP, a political party, or self-appoint
himself to be de usenet moderator. Get some clarification on who he
represent - himself, or his 'party'. Heck, I bet he haven't stayed
long enough to even know about Singapore history nor the CPF screwup
nor the govt arbitrary policies forced down the peoples' throats.
Pot-bellied?

Care to step onto the Seeker next summer to see if I am pot-bellied?
(The Wahoo is no longer conducting expeditions to the Andrea Doria.)

I will see how "pot-bellied" you can be when climbing up a boat ladder
with 200 lbs of gear, in 6 foot seas....

It will not be difficult to recognize me.
I will be the dude with a CCR and three bail out bottles.

Robert H. Himmler
ardeedee
2003-12-07 06:39:10 UTC
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With his tongue hanging out panting for dear life.
Post by NoPAS
Post by sunspot
You might be discussing this with a pot-bellied fake, for all you
know. From the two threads he started, and examining the contents, he
is either out to protect the PAP, a political party, or self-appoint
himself to be de usenet moderator. Get some clarification on who he
represent - himself, or his 'party'. Heck, I bet he haven't stayed
long enough to even know about Singapore history nor the CPF screwup
nor the govt arbitrary policies forced down the peoples' throats.
Pot-bellied?
Care to step onto the Seeker next summer to see if I am pot-bellied?
(The Wahoo is no longer conducting expeditions to the Andrea Doria.)
I will see how "pot-bellied" you can be when climbing up a boat ladder
with 200 lbs of gear, in 6 foot seas....
It will not be difficult to recognize me.
I will be the dude with a CCR and three bail out bottles.
Robert H. Himmler
NoPAS
2003-12-08 06:25:55 UTC
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Post by ardeedee
With his tongue hanging out panting for dear life.
Brave words from someone not even qualified enough to step on to the boat.

Robert H. Himmler
ardeedee
2003-12-08 11:50:23 UTC
Permalink
Even braver than the poster who started his posting here when he is about to
go home before Xmas.
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
With his tongue hanging out panting for dear life.
Brave words from someone not even qualified enough to step on to the boat.
Robert H. Himmler
Observer
2003-12-08 15:19:23 UTC
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Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
With his tongue hanging out panting for dear life.
Brave words from someone not even qualified enough to step on to the boat.
Oh...now you've done it....
You've exposed ardeedee's stupidity....

He will now resort to profanities....inane
commetaries....threats...harassment....citing
secrecy laws....in an attempt to silence
those who disagrees with him....

The arsehole is worse than the ruling entity
that he claims to have opressed his kind
and "done him in".....

What a shithead and HYPROCRITE.....LOL
ardeedee
2003-12-09 02:44:11 UTC
Permalink
"Observer" the punk reporter who tried to be PAP lackey but they did not
want him even though he was pseudo Malay and he ended up in Malaysia.
Post by Observer
Post by NoPAS
Post by ardeedee
With his tongue hanging out panting for dear life.
Brave words from someone not even qualified enough to step on to the boat.
Oh...now you've done it....
You've exposed ardeedee's stupidity....
He will now resort to profanities....inane
commetaries....threats...harassment....citing
secrecy laws....in an attempt to silence
those who disagrees with him....
The arsehole is worse than the ruling entity
that he claims to have opressed his kind
and "done him in".....
What a shithead and HYPROCRITE.....LOL
Robert Ho
2003-12-07 19:40:22 UTC
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Post by sunspot
You might be discussing this with a pot-bellied fake, for all you
know. From the two threads he started, and examining the contents, he
is either out to protect the PAP, a political party, or...
RH: You know, noPAS is quite American in that he alludes to things
only [mostly] Americans would know, like generic Lithium. But the way
in which he quickly seizes on a casual remark of mine about
"destroying the PAP by any available means" shows that he is like an
ISD agent, so quick and so paranoid that the slightest reference to
'overthrowing' the PAP is quickly seized on and blown up out of all
proportions, exactly like the ISD would. Puzzles me. Is he an American
sojourner in Singapore for a short while or really an ISD agent out to
intimidate all anti-PAPists? Or both? Or is he really a local ISD
agent who happens to have spend some time in US, probably on
intelligence gathering and analysis and maybe some industrial
espionage, etc? Also, why the interest in me? I am by no means the
only anti-PAPist here nor the most damaging to the PAP. There are
other posters who know a lot more than me. Better connected, too.
Gyro
2003-12-08 01:04:07 UTC
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Post by Robert Ho
proportions, exactly like the ISD would. Puzzles me. Is he an American
sojourner in Singapore for a short while or really an ISD agent out to
intimidate all anti-PAPists? Or both? Or is he really a local ISD
agent who happens to have spend some time in US, probably on
intelligence gathering and analysis and maybe some industrial
espionage, etc?
Perhaps this is the bungling "Asian Agent" who tried to photograph
Christopher Lingle in the US.

* LAUGH *
sunspot
2003-12-08 01:51:00 UTC
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Post by Robert Ho
Post by sunspot
You might be discussing this with a pot-bellied fake, for all you
know. From the two threads he started, and examining the contents, he
is either out to protect the PAP, a political party, or...
RH: You know, noPAS is quite American in that he alludes to things
only [mostly] Americans would know, like generic Lithium. But the way
in which he quickly seizes on a casual remark of mine about
"destroying the PAP by any available means" shows that he is like an
ISD agent, so quick and so paranoid that the slightest reference to
'overthrowing' the PAP is quickly seized on and blown up out of all
proportions, exactly like the ISD would. Puzzles me. Is he an American
sojourner in Singapore for a short while or really an ISD agent out to
intimidate all anti-PAPists? Or both? Or is he really a local ISD
agent who happens to have spend some time in US, probably on
intelligence gathering and analysis and maybe some industrial
espionage, etc? Also, why the interest in me? I am by no means the
only anti-PAPist here nor the most damaging to the PAP. There are
other posters who know a lot more than me. Better connected, too.
I really do not know, what I do know is that a foreigner on work
permit pass or a PR is barred from engaging from domestic politics,
yet this bloke is engaging the very core of Singapore politics. A
foreigner would not want to risk his career by going against the rules
set by LKY's PAP. Therefore, the conclusion I draw is that this
foreigner is working for the ruling party or its agent. Some people
have absolute lack of morals, post doctorate or not, by preventing
hardship issues or govt abuses from being discussed. Really, I give
zero respect for paper qualifications - look at our Cambridge, MIT, or
Harvard graduated politicians, they are such ungraceful and
uncivilised lot.

P/S: Personally, I think they went overboard to do you in back in
2001. Though I don't know you, but I wish you all the best.

**Spelling..who gives a damn! Grammar? What is that??**
Observer
2003-12-08 15:15:32 UTC
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Post by sunspot
I really do not know, what I do know is that a foreigner on work
permit pass or a PR is barred from engaging from domestic politics,
LOL....
The very same people who is complaining
about censorship, oppression, media bias...
is now invoking the same laws to silence
posters here to have the freedom of speech
to speak up what they have to say....

What hypocrites do we have here?
Those that would possibly be WORST than
the present ruling entity IF they or the people they
support ever get into power?

This the same reasoning that the pigshit use
to harrass some other poster here....
Do you really think that people like me will
trust shithead like you to ever fight for the
"freedom" and democracy of Singaporeans
when even now I can see that shitheads like
will possibly be even wore oppressive than
the present ruling entity is claimed to be...(by
the very same people who's fighting for "freedom"
and democracy, of course.....LOL)
Post by sunspot
yet this bloke is engaging the very core of Singapore politics.
This is Usenet...and one of the charters is that
it is in the spirit to allow freedom of speech...
even though governments may not be happy...
bit surprise...surprise...even "freedom" fighters
are now trying to use laws to restrict the very
freedom of speech they demand from the present
ruling entity...

If this is not HYPOCRISY.....what is?.....LOL
Post by sunspot
A
foreigner would not want to risk his career by going against the rules
set by LKY's PAP.
Eh?
I have not seen any policemen...or GCT...
or LKY...posting warnings, harrassment...
vulgarties...in the attempt to silence this foreigner...
What I see is SHITHEADS like you and the
monkey ardeedee who's doing it....and then
BLAMING the PAP.....

Hypocrite......LOL
Post by sunspot
Therefore, the conclusion I draw is that this
foreigner is working for the ruling party or its agent.
LOL....
Eiii...if you want to win the electorate over
your cause...at least do it in an intelligent manner
lar.....
This kind of quality of reasoning you can shove
it down your own ARSE.....LOL
Observer
2003-12-06 13:47:42 UTC
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Post by ardeedee
Post by NoPAS
Any evidence of this?
You really should stop relying on Mr. Robert Ho as your only source of
information.
I have evidence
Your claim that you "have evidence" is
not in itself evidence that you have it MORON.
Nice try.
Post by ardeedee
and there is public knowledge of a certain MP getting
contracts in power stations where he was charged and given a nominal
sentence after the charges were watered down
If thats public knowledge, so what?
That still do not prove that you have anything
to do with avything.....
Nice try again.

- and I know of top corruption
Post by ardeedee
in high places which were not pursued although on superficial evidence alone
there was a case to pursue in court.
Yet another CLAIM to having exclusive
knowledge bet yet have not shown any evidence
in itself....
You are likely more of an agent provocateur....
Trying very hard to get the naive readers
here into trouble.....
Post by ardeedee
I want to tell you now that I was in
the Police force in early 60s and also in PSA so I know what I say - let
them come after me on this.
Haha...throwing up dust.....
That none of his claims have been verified
or verifiable....and that he has so far showed
only SMOKE.....

You guys still believe this ARSEHOLE?.....LOL
ardeedee
2003-12-06 16:16:06 UTC
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Observer you have nothing to offer - very tiresome.
Post by Observer
Post by ardeedee
Post by NoPAS
Any evidence of this?
You really should stop relying on Mr. Robert Ho as your only source of
information.
I have evidence
Your claim that you "have evidence" is
not in itself evidence that you have it MORON.
Nice try.
Post by ardeedee
and there is public knowledge of a certain MP getting
contracts in power stations where he was charged and given a nominal
sentence after the charges were watered down
If thats public knowledge, so what?
That still do not prove that you have anything
to do with avything.....
Nice try again.
- and I know of top corruption
Post by ardeedee
in high places which were not pursued although on superficial evidence
alone
Post by ardeedee
there was a case to pursue in court.
Yet another CLAIM to having exclusive
knowledge bet yet have not shown any evidence
in itself....
You are likely more of an agent provocateur....
Trying very hard to get the naive readers
here into trouble.....
Post by ardeedee
I want to tell you now that I was in
the Police force in early 60s and also in PSA so I know what I say - let
them come after me on this.
Haha...throwing up dust.....
That none of his claims have been verified
or verifiable....and that he has so far showed
only SMOKE.....
You guys still believe this ARSEHOLE?.....LOL
ignoramus
2003-12-04 16:32:48 UTC
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Anyone in soc.culture.malaysia, soc.culture.australian,
soc.culture.indonesia gives a damn?

On 3 Dec 2003 11:27:23 -0800, ***@hotmail.com (NoPAS)
wrote:
<crap flushed. twice>
CarbonO2
2003-12-04 16:52:47 UTC
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Nope.
Post by ignoramus
Anyone in soc.culture.malaysia, soc.culture.australian,
soc.culture.indonesia gives a damn?
<crap flushed. twice>
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