- Isn't it CRUEL for your Allah to make lawful for Muhammat to
his wives including pregnant women and also devilishly advocating to
HIRE the divorced wives to breastfeed the babies for Muhammat on
Are you sure you got your facts right? In your
effort to twist facts you have somehow have kind
of twisted yourself with your bible as per deut24:1.
 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her,
and it come to pass that she find no favour in
his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness
in her: then let him write her a bill of
divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send
her out of his house.
In the actual case , you are talking about your bible.
Good , now we have a clueless christian in criticism
of his bible thinking it referred to Prophet Muhammad
I have repeatly told you that you are clueless. Once
again you have slapped yourself with regards to wet
nursing. Even your bible has references to wet nursing
as 'mother' milk is highly prized and the biblical
characters were willing to pay for such.
excerpt : '... For a Biblical example of this, see
Exodus 2:7-10, which I quote below ...'
'... Miriam offers to call "a nurse" for
the Egyptian princess. Darby translated
this as "a wet-nurse." The phrase in Hebrew
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This is a typical way Sam avoid embarrassing qoranic passages (in this
case ATT TALAAQ 65:1-6).
Ho ho ho , practicing deception again :
My post of oct8 , 8.26pm from thread 'proof?-2' :
Look at you , a clueless christian running around in
circles chasing your backside. You should look into
the mirror and confirm that you are not nuts.
My question :
- did Prophet Muhammad (saw) ever divorced his wives?
yes or no
If yes , then you are living in a fantasy world as
you cannot grasp facts. If no , then you are again
arguing from conjectures and wild speculation. You
are not factual in your argument (as usual).
What do the verses mean? Simple its a guide line for
divorce. What is so difficult to understand?
Now you have this fixation with the phrase "pay
for their suckling service" ...
Let us look at the commentary of the said verses :
ref : http://www.quran-gateofislam.com/quran_surah_at_talaq.asp
6: You should keep divorced women in the same place
and in the same standard and style of living, as
you yourself live. Do not do or say anything
which would harass or torture them. And if they
are pregnant then you have to bear all expenses
till the termination of pregnancy. After the
delivery, if they suckle the baby for you (because
you cannot make some alternative arrangements
and with mutual consultation it is decided that
only 'she' should suckle the child even after
the divorce is final) then pay them for that. The
details of this arrangement should be worked out
by mutual consultation, according to norms. If
any or both of you find it difficult to resolve
this matter, then let some other woman suckle the
7: As regards fixing alimony for the women under
divorce proceedings, or for suckling the child,
you should let a wealthy man spend according to
his means; while let the one whose means are
limited spend in accordance with what Allah
Almighty has given him. Remember Allah Almighty
Law does not burden a human being beyond his
capacity. If the man runs into some financial
difficulty on account of this extra expenditure,
then relief can be provided according to Divine
Laws. (This aspect should also be kept in mind
when deciding the case).
ref : http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Talaq-(Nikah)
excerpt : '...Even if divorce separates a man from
his wife, he has to seek her help in caring
for the child or another female if the mother
agrees. He must pay for her expenses...'
ref : http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1311...
excerpt : '...Then, if she suckles, she has the right
to compensation for it. She is allowed to
enter into a contract with the father or
his representative in return for whatever
payment they agree to...'
The Quran scholars agree that the man must pay for
the divorced wives expenses or alimony. The key words
that appeared are : compensation , pay for expenses ,
ref : http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/65.htm
6. Let the women live (in 'iddat) in the same style
as ye live, according to your means: Annoy them
not, so as to restrict them. And if they carry
(life in their wombs), then spend (your substance)
on them until they deliver their burden: and if
they suckle your (offspring), give them their
RECOMPENSE : and take mutual counsel together,
according to what is just and reasonable. And if
ye find yourselves in difficulties, let another
woman suckle (the child) on the (father's) behalf.
Definition of 'RECOMPENSE'
ref : http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/recompense
excerpt : 1 a: to give something to by way of
compensation (as for a service rendered
or damage incurred)
b: to pay for2: to return in kind : requite
By definition via merriam-webster 'RECOMPENSE' is
ref : http://www.aicpa.org/pubs/taxadv/online/ttaclin.htm
excerpt : '...Sec. 219(f)(1) defines the term
"compensation" for purposes of
contributions to IRAs. Included in the
definition is any amount includible in an
individual's gross income under Sec. 71,
which includes taxable alimony...'
By law referring to the 'individual retirement account'
(IRA) act , alimony is a form of compensation.
You have been refuted from 2 angles :
1. The Quran scholars agree that "pay for their
suckling service" is alimony as a form of
2. Legally , RECOMPENSE (in verse65:6) mean
COMPENSATION as defined by merriam webster
dictionary , by law as defined by the
'individual retirement account (IRA)' mean
Oops ! Got you again..... , try to do better the
next time. Are you going to run away , come back
later , harp on the same refuted issues and pretend
that nothing happened.
Question to you , you seem to disregard the commentary
to the Quran and insisted on your own 'version' of
the interpretation. Which scholarship are you? Al-azhar
or yemen or madinah? Wait , I know where exactly is
your scholarship - 'church of bullshit' ....
You can't even grasp the legal meaning (by law) of
compensation to be alimony. I find this extremely
QS ATT TALAAQ 65:1 (Yusuf Ali)
O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed
periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods: And fear
God your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they
(themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open
lewdness, those are limits set by God: and any who transgresses the
limits of God, does verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if
perchance God will bring about thereafter some new situation.
Quote from you in your post of oct 5 , 9.53pm :
'...I would gladly give my response to Deut 24:1
parallel even in this thread, but I would want
to see your response first on your Allah's
particular law for Muhammat's divorce. Do you
endorse this law from your Allah?
Do you honor this CRUEL law? ...'
What has happened to your response to deut24:1?
Suddenly you have avoided this issue. I thought you
are one track minded and very focused. Issit that
you are now forced to eat your shoe as the humble
Lets review the comparative islamic and christian
laws of divorce and alimony.
deut24:1 which is as follows :
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=741530
 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her,
and it come to pass that she find no favour
in his eyes, because he hath found some
uncleanness in her: then let him write her a
bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand,
and send her out of his house.
Let us look at Eph6:4
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=5182024
 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to
wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and
admonition of the Lord.
ref : http://toracracy.com/divorce.htm
excerpt : '...As you can see, in the case of
Biblical divorce, wife gets NOTHING
from her husband – she must not take
his children, his property, his money.
Therefore alimony is evil, alimony is
a violation of the commandment "thou
shalt not steal"...'
Let us compare divorce & child custody between islam
(as in Quran) and christianity (as in bible)
1. Custody of mother father
children (more rights) (absolute rights)
2. Alimony must no need
3. Divorce pregnant NO OK
4. Rights to shared woman no rights
Looking at the summary , others and I who can
exercise logic and wisdom will surely prefer the
islamic (Quranic) law of divorce and child custody
as it much more equitable and just.
When you say the law is cruel - are you referring
to the biblical law of divorce and child custody?
Pretending to be confused on top of already being
clueless .... yeah?
Can you explain what do you mean by '...Allah makes
a SATANIC, as far as his divorced wives is concerned,
deal: "pay for their suckling service", or let other
women breastfeed in case no deal obtained from
the divorced wives...'?
If paying alimony to divorced wives is SATANIC by
your christian standards ,what is the value or
standard of you christians (as derived from your
bible) of of the case of divorce that
1. Father has absolute rights to the children as
per your bible
2. There is no need to pay alimony as per your
3. Divorcing pregnant wives is OK as per your bible
4. Divorced woman has no rights to the children
as per your bible.
Is there anything LOWER than SATANIC in this case
for you christians with regards to divorce and
alimony as the values derived from your bible?
What about DOUBLE or TRIPLE SATANIC?
To mock and taunt you :
# of times you have been afraid of answering = 18
I will not let you get away that easy. In response
to your post of sept 26 , 10.33am my question in
response to your boast of christians not being
afraid of textual criticism :
Consider the genealogy of jesus in matt
1:1-16 and in luke3:23-38 , one person with 2
different genealogies. This does not even take into
account of jesus being of virgin birth hence no
father (if you understand the concept of virgin
birth). Then your so called criticism comes up
with a bullshit that the genealogy as shown in luke
is that of mary. Its really stretching the imagination
, don't you agree. In essence , biblical criticism
by you christians is more of trying to make sense
of the absurdities in your bible in addition to you
christians not having a clue on how the variants
crept into your bible.
My question that you have always been afraid to answer.
Where in the verses that states that you cannot question
Count of you refusing to answer the question = 27
To mock and taunt you :
You still have not answered my question. What is
the use of you being christian if you cannot even
answer a question about your theology. You look
like you are afraid to even answer the appended
question. Why be a christian if you cannot even
justify of your belief? We muslims did not run away
facing your questions. In fact for us muslims facing
your questions was like a stroll in the park. No
problems in answering them.
The question again :
Can you explain to me in logical sense , how can
jesus die for your sins? Prophet Adam(as) sin is
his. He sinned , he has to face the consequences.
Neither you nor I had any agreement with Prophet
Adam (as) to inherit his sin. Why should jesus
die for your sins? He has never in his words
said that he was god and demanded to be worshiped.
He also had never said that he would die for your
Can you 'advice' me of these contradictory and
confusing issues. Isn't the atonement of sin by
another person a cult behaviour?