Tycoon James Riady of Lippo Group Files Tax Amnesty (declares and repariates Groups' Assets)

[Tan Sio May™]

Tycoon James Riady, son of Mochtar
Riady ... founder/owner of Lippo Group
... property magnate ranked 6th in
Forbes' Wealthiest man/family in
Indonesia, with estimated net worth of
$2.2 billion, today visited a local tax
office to file tax amnesty request for
his group of companies

not only will he declares the unreported wealth
but also repatriate big chunk of the assets to
Indonesia



*) to those who have doubt thus need news links of this report to get
confirmed, they may find the links by Googling the web on their own,

[b***@gmail.com]

Tycoon?
Wat tycoon?
He oso fucking the same hole everyone of us..he is oso eating same rice wit rest of us?
So wat so great abt this guy?
To u balls carrier will angkat him like hell
To me..he is just another fucker!

[Loe Gie Lha™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Tycoon?
Wat tycoon?
He oso fucking the same hole everyone of us..he is oso eating same rice
wit rest of us? So wat so great abt this guy?
To u balls carrier will angkat him like hell
To me..he is just another fucker!

hahaha whats wrong with you bryan ?? why so mad ?

did you wake up on the wrong side of your bed ?


wasnt it you who says in another thread that
we are not born equally ?

few are tycoons and many more are just plain commoners

[b***@gmail.com]

Wat tycoon?
Halooooo wat future he has?
Oso no future la..cos one day he will oso up the lorry..

In case little ppl like u may not be aware of this..." its too evil to be too rich".. Cos the filthy rich hv "sapo" all available money n left nothing for the poor to buy food..

[HH]

From your spiritual corners of your eyes, can a very rich person when died,
can get better benefits in heavens?





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Wat tycoon?
Halooooo wat future he has?
Oso no future la..cos one day he will oso up the lorry..

In case little ppl like u may not be aware of this..." its too evil to be
too rich".. Cos the filthy rich hv "sapo" all available money n left nothing
for the poor to buy food..

[HH]

Is it typhoon or tycoon?




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Wat tycoon?
Halooooo wat future he has?
Oso no future la..cos one day he will oso up the lorry..

In case little ppl like u may not be aware of this..." its too evil to be
too rich".. Cos the filthy rich hv "sapo" all available money n left nothing
for the poor to buy food..

[can lar]

Who is he?

How much is he owed"





"Tan Sio May?" wrote in message news:***@news.datemas.de...


Tycoon James Riady, son of Mochtar
Riady ... founder/owner of Lippo Group
... property magnate ranked 6th in
Forbes' Wealthiest man/family in
Indonesia, with estimated net worth of
$2.2 billion, today visited a local tax
office to file tax amnesty request for
his group of companies

not only will he declares the unreported wealth
but also repatriate big chunk of the assets to
Indonesia



*) to those who have doubt thus need news links of this report to get
confirmed, they may find the links by Googling the web on their own,

[b***@gmail.com]

Hahaha. How much he owed???

I think he borrowed few thousand frm ah long san...hehehe..

[Loe Gie Lha™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Hahaha. How much he owed???
I think he borrowed few thousand frm ah long san...hehehe..

i think what can lar means
is how much tax this tycoon
owed that he is supposed to
pay by revealing the unreported
assets

[Baow Keh Tek™]

Post by can lar
Who is he?
How much is he owed"

he refused to make statement on this point

[can lar]

Looks like he has to sell some assets to pay his tax owed.

If the amount is huge, he has to sell some of the international assets he
has held abroad.

Post by can lar
Who is he?
How much is he owed"

he refused to make statement on this point

[Bien Tiet Tan™]

Post by can lar
Looks like he has to sell some assets to pay his tax owed.
If the amount is huge, he has to sell some of the international assets he
has held abroad.

i dont think so .....

under the tax amnesty regulation
any one should only pay 2% tax flat
in case he repatriates the assets, or
4% if he only declares it

.... compare to normal min. 30% Income
Tax, annually

its such a huge difference


thats why its called "amnesty" ...
it means "you are forgiven"

[can lar]

From the standard rate of 30%, to the discounted rate 4% to 2 % is cheap.

Post by can lar
Looks like he has to sell some assets to pay his tax owed.
If the amount is huge, he has to sell some of the international assets he
has held abroad.

i dont think so .....

under the tax amnesty regulation
any one should only pay 2% tax flat
in case he repatriates the assets, or
4% if he only declares it

.... compare to normal min. 30% Income
Tax, annually

its such a huge difference


thats why its called "amnesty" ...
it means "you are forgiven"

[PLA Ting]

Why don't Indonesia arrest him and put him behind bars in Indonesia?

After that, force him to sign all his assets to Indonesia.

And after that, sentence him to death.




"Tan Sio May?" wrote in message news:***@news.datemas.de...


Tycoon James Riady, son of Mochtar
Riady ... founder/owner of Lippo Group
... property magnate ranked 6th in
Forbes' Wealthiest man/family in
Indonesia, with estimated net worth of
$2.2 billion, today visited a local tax
office to file tax amnesty request for
his group of companies

not only will he declares the unreported wealth
but also repatriate big chunk of the assets to
Indonesia



*) to those who have doubt thus need news links of this report to get
confirmed, they may find the links by Googling the web on their own,

[babara]

What is the history of Riady father in Indonesia make their wealth?



"Tan Sio May?" wrote in message news:***@news.datemas.de...


Tycoon James Riady, son of Mochtar
Riady ... founder/owner of Lippo Group
... property magnate ranked 6th in
Forbes' Wealthiest man/family in
Indonesia, with estimated net worth of
$2.2 billion, today visited a local tax
office to file tax amnesty request for
his group of companies

not only will he declares the unreported wealth
but also repatriate big chunk of the assets to
Indonesia



*) to those who have doubt thus need news links of this report to get
confirmed, they may find the links by Googling the web on their own,

[b***@gmail.com]

Most rich indon biz man took advantage of their country natural resources...n oso taking advantage of cheap cheap labour..they pay peanuts to those workers without ..having to contribute to any sort of pension fund (in sg we call it as CPF) n workman compensation..in case they got injured while on the job.
N when they sell tgeir finished product or natural resources..they sell it as international price..in usd currency. It doesnt take u to be a rocket scientist to figure out..the big difference (in profits) even completing in the world market.
Tat is why..those indin chinese r making huge prifits..frm these difference..n not only tat..the mode of payment usually goes like this..LC payment reveived usually channelled to sg banks..these dont usually received LC payment tat channelled to their indonesian banks. In this..u can see how patriotic these indon biz are? All these channelling of money to sg banks were done by these unscrupulous indon biz man..it seem tat we sg hv been accused of receiving huge sum of kotor money been parked here.
Why these indon biz man channelled their money to sg banks..firstly they dont trust their own bank n oso dont trust the govt political stability..
Most of these indon biz mindset are..to apply the " hit n run" tactic..in case the unpredictable n corruptable govt may change their polices.
Family members reside in Sg n the father hang around in indonesia to try suck more money out of it. Frm their natural resources..hahaha.

[Tan Sing Kong™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Most rich indon biz man took advantage of their country natural
resources...n oso taking advantage of cheap cheap labour..

not 100% true

depending on what business you enter, export or local oriented

china and vietnam labour wage are much cheaper than Indonesia

[b***@gmail.com]

Harloooo . U think those indon biz man provide safety features built in their factories for those cheap cheap workers when handling hazardous job?..
U think those indon chinese biz man fuck care abt the environment?
Like how they " slash n burn " the forest ..a cheap n easy way out..to to make way for palm tree..?
Most of these chinese indon biz man r unscrupulous biz man..

[Loe Gie Lha™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Harloooo . U think those indon biz man provide safety features built in
their factories for those cheap cheap workers when handling hazardous
job?.. U think those indon chinese biz man fuck care abt the
environment? Like how they " slash n burn " the forest ..a cheap n easy
way out..to to make way for palm tree..? Most of these chinese indon biz
man r unscrupulous biz man..

harrloooo, admitedly its not as advanced as in the US and other countries
but yes we have strict rules too for worker safety etc etc

big professional group, yes they follow the strict standard

otherwise big names like Toyota would not trust Astra Group to run their
production facilities in Indonesia, Indonesia is Toyota's 2nd largest
overseas production facilities after the US

harlooooooo .....

dont look down too much lah on Indonesian

we are progressing, but surely we are no longer at the bottom


yes we fully understand many of our neighbouring countries dont
like to see Indonesia taking off steep soaring to the sky

up up and awaaaay , Majulah Bangsa ku, Majulah Indonesia

and knock down your envious neighbours hahahaha

[b***@gmail.com]

No sane mind chinese biz ppl will go for long term investment in a country where its political situation is not so stable..or one sided..
Maybe now under Jokowi.n a chinese jkt governor..probably Attract more foreign investment..

Still the mentality on these rich filthy indon chinese are still the same...very snobbish!

[Coco]

Do you think they are snobbish now when after Suharto's time.

Or, they were more snobbish, when they were during Suharto's time?




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No sane mind chinese biz ppl will go for long term investment in a country
where its political situation is not so stable..or one sided..
Maybe now under Jokowi.n a chinese jkt governor..probably Attract more
foreign investment..

Still the mentality on these rich filthy indon chinese are still the
same...very snobbish!

[Coco]

You are in Indonesia.

Do you think they are snobbish now when after Suharto's time.

Or, they were more snobbish, when they were during Suharto's time?

Post by b***@gmail.com
Harloooo . U think those indon biz man provide safety features built in
their factories for those cheap cheap workers when handling hazardous
job?.. U think those indon chinese biz man fuck care abt the
environment? Like how they " slash n burn " the forest ..a cheap n easy
way out..to to make way for palm tree..? Most of these chinese indon biz
man r unscrupulous biz man..

harrloooo, admitedly its not as advanced as in the US and other countries
but yes we have strict rules too for worker safety etc etc

big professional group, yes they follow the strict standard

otherwise big names like Toyota would not trust Astra Group to run their
production facilities in Indonesia, Indonesia is Toyota's 2nd largest
overseas production facilities after the US

harlooooooo .....

dont look down too much lah on Indonesian

we are progressing, but surely we are no longer at the bottom


yes we fully understand many of our neighbouring countries dont
like to see Indonesia taking off steep soaring to the sky

up up and awaaaay , Majulah Bangsa ku, Majulah Indonesia

and knock down your envious neighbours hahahaha

[sweety]

Is Toyota still in Indonesia?

Post by b***@gmail.com
Harloooo . U think those indon biz man provide safety features built in
their factories for those cheap cheap workers when handling hazardous
job?.. U think those indon chinese biz man fuck care abt the
environment? Like how they " slash n burn " the forest ..a cheap n easy
way out..to to make way for palm tree..? Most of these chinese indon biz
man r unscrupulous biz man..

harrloooo, admitedly its not as advanced as in the US and other countries
but yes we have strict rules too for worker safety etc etc

big professional group, yes they follow the strict standard

otherwise big names like Toyota would not trust Astra Group to run their
production facilities in Indonesia, Indonesia is Toyota's 2nd largest
overseas production facilities after the US

harlooooooo .....

dont look down too much lah on Indonesian

we are progressing, but surely we are no longer at the bottom


yes we fully understand many of our neighbouring countries dont
like to see Indonesia taking off steep soaring to the sky

up up and awaaaay , Majulah Bangsa ku, Majulah Indonesia

and knock down your envious neighbours hahahaha

[b***@gmail.com]

U r plain silly.. Hv u heard abt this phrase.. " rich thy neighbour"

Why u keep putting in a way tat sg is envy on your Indonesian economic progress..

[sweety]

There is envy when there is a rise in Indonesian businesses.




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U r plain silly.. Hv u heard abt this phrase.. " rich thy neighbour"

Why u keep putting in a way tat sg is envy on your Indonesian economic
progress..

[kerri]

Many of these rich business men is using their forest licenses are not
bothered with stopping their burning for their replantation works.

Their cheapest way is to slash and burn.

They don't care a damned to their own people and their own society.

They also do not care a damned to people in other countries nearby them.

But they like to come to Singapore to deposit their money there.




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Harloooo . U think those indon biz man provide safety features built in
their factories for those cheap cheap workers when handling hazardous job?..
U think those indon chinese biz man fuck care abt the environment?
Like how they " slash n burn " the forest ..a cheap n easy way out..to to
make way for palm tree..?
Most of these chinese indon biz man r unscrupulous biz man..

[HH]

Usually they got the natural resources is through bribing.



wrote in message news:e5e06d75-935a-4d9b-8186-***@googlegroups.com...

Most rich indon biz man took advantage of their country natural
resources...n oso taking advantage of cheap cheap labour..they pay peanuts
to those workers without ..having to contribute to any sort of pension fund
(in sg we call it as CPF) n workman compensation..in case they got injured
while on the job.
N when they sell tgeir finished product or natural resources..they sell it
as international price..in usd currency. It doesnt take u to be a rocket
scientist to figure out..the big difference (in profits) even completing in
the world market.
Tat is why..those indin chinese r making huge prifits..frm these
difference..n not only tat..the mode of payment usually goes like this..LC
payment reveived usually channelled to sg banks..these dont usually received
LC payment tat channelled to their indonesian banks. In this..u can see how
patriotic these indon biz are? All these channelling of money to sg banks
were done by these unscrupulous indon biz man..it seem tat we sg hv been
accused of receiving huge sum of kotor money been parked here.
Why these indon biz man channelled their money to sg banks..firstly they
dont trust their own bank n oso dont trust the govt political stability..
Most of these indon biz mindset are..to apply the " hit n run" tactic..in
case the unpredictable n corruptable govt may change their polices.
Family members reside in Sg n the father hang around in indonesia to try
suck more money out of it. Frm their natural resources..hahaha.

[Gwa Hok Kie™]

Post by babara
What is the history of Riady father in Indonesia make their wealth?

i think i read before, Mochtar Riady (the father), a chinese extraction,

started off by working as an employee/staff to the super tycoon Indonesia

the late mr Lim Sui Liong (or Sudono Salim, his Indonesian name)

the owner and founder of the used to be #1 Conglomerate of Indonesia'

prior to Asia financial crisis 1998.


Mochtar Riady was sudono salim's right hand man in running salim's

initially owned bank "Bank Windu Kencana", it seemed Mochtar had expertise

in making the bank running better and later Mochtar helped Salim

establishing the renowned largest private-owned domestic bank i.e

BCA (Bank Central Asia) , although on the other hand we should not

neglect the fact that all Salim's companies were developing fast due

his very very close relationship with the late President Soeharto,


realizing his expertise in banking, soon Mochtar left Salim and

established his own bank "Lippo Bank", which was the embrio for

Mochtar to even developing into other industries like manufacturing,

properties, medias and IT , which made all these into conglomeration

or named Lippo Group .... anyway along with the 1998's asia turmoil

Lippo bank collapsed and other businesses of the group didnt

show good prospects and finally they decided to concentrate in properties

only until today


Mochtar has retired rom the Group and James the son took over steering

the group.


James, graduated from the US, has a close relationship with former President

Clinton, and there was a scandal revealed that James contributed ample amount

of fund for Clinton's presidency campaign, only the authority found out the

amount of donation breached the maximum allowed , i think i remember James

got penalized by the court .

[babara]

From their rise to riches story, it seems it is very easy to make money in
Indonesia.

Post by babara
What is the history of Riady father in Indonesia make their wealth?

i think i read before, Mochtar Riady (the father), a chinese extraction,

started off by working as an employee/staff to the super tycoon Indonesia

the late mr Lim Sui Liong (or Sudono Salim, his Indonesian name)

the owner and founder of the used to be #1 Conglomerate of Indonesia'

prior to Asia financial crisis 1998.


Mochtar Riady was sudono salim's right hand man in running salim's

initially owned bank "Bank Windu Kencana", it seemed Mochtar had expertise

in making the bank running better and later Mochtar helped Salim

establishing the renowned largest private-owned domestic bank i.e

BCA (Bank Central Asia) , although on the other hand we should not

neglect the fact that all Salim's companies were developing fast due

his very very close relationship with the late President Soeharto,


realizing his expertise in banking, soon Mochtar left Salim and

established his own bank "Lippo Bank", which was the embrio for

Mochtar to even developing into other industries like manufacturing,

properties, medias and IT , which made all these into conglomeration

or named Lippo Group .... anyway along with the 1998's asia turmoil

Lippo bank collapsed and other businesses of the group didnt

show good prospects and finally they decided to concentrate in properties

only until today


Mochtar has retired rom the Group and James the son took over steering

the group.


James, graduated from the US, has a close relationship with former President

Clinton, and there was a scandal revealed that James contributed ample
amount

of fund for Clinton's presidency campaign, only the authority found out the

amount of donation breached the maximum allowed , i think i remember James

got penalized by the court .

[babara]

Is it very easy to make money in Indonesia under Suharto's time

Post by babara
What is the history of Riady father in Indonesia make their wealth?

i think i read before, Mochtar Riady (the father), a chinese extraction,

started off by working as an employee/staff to the super tycoon Indonesia

the late mr Lim Sui Liong (or Sudono Salim, his Indonesian name)

the owner and founder of the used to be #1 Conglomerate of Indonesia'

prior to Asia financial crisis 1998.


Mochtar Riady was sudono salim's right hand man in running salim's

initially owned bank "Bank Windu Kencana", it seemed Mochtar had expertise

in making the bank running better and later Mochtar helped Salim

establishing the renowned largest private-owned domestic bank i.e

BCA (Bank Central Asia) , although on the other hand we should not

neglect the fact that all Salim's companies were developing fast due

his very very close relationship with the late President Soeharto,


realizing his expertise in banking, soon Mochtar left Salim and

established his own bank "Lippo Bank", which was the embrio for

Mochtar to even developing into other industries like manufacturing,

properties, medias and IT , which made all these into conglomeration

or named Lippo Group .... anyway along with the 1998's asia turmoil

Lippo bank collapsed and other businesses of the group didnt

show good prospects and finally they decided to concentrate in properties

only until today


Mochtar has retired rom the Group and James the son took over steering

the group.


James, graduated from the US, has a close relationship with former President

Clinton, and there was a scandal revealed that James contributed ample
amount

of fund for Clinton's presidency campaign, only the authority found out the

amount of donation breached the maximum allowed , i think i remember James

got penalized by the court .

[Bien Tiet Tan™]

Post by babara
Is it very easy to make money in Indonesia under Suharto's time

well aint that applied to the entire places in this universe so long
you have connection and collusion its so easy to do business ??
indonesia is not exclusive to this easyness

in term of business connection/nepotism, according to some
survey your country the famous mr. clean Singapore, surprisingly,
is much worse than Indonesia

or is not so much surprising to singaporeans ??

[babara]

That is very true, in that there is corruption even in Singapore, too.

It is a universal corruption problem.

Even FIFA ex-president Blatter and his cronies were also caught corrupted,
having corruption money.

In short, corruption is a big business in the world.

Post by babara
Is it very easy to make money in Indonesia under Suharto's time

well aint that applied to the entire places in this universe so long
you have connection and collusion its so easy to do business ??
indonesia is not exclusive to this easyness

in term of business connection/nepotism, according to some
survey your country the famous mr. clean Singapore, surprisingly,
is much worse than Indonesia

or is not so much surprising to singaporeans ??

[babara]

Corruption is a universal problem across countries.

Can you say if it is more easy to make money in Indonesia currently, or more
easy in previously under the Suharto garment?.

This is merely to share your thoughts and views, and not meant to make bad
comments of the country.

Post by babara
Is it very easy to make money in Indonesia under Suharto's time

well aint that applied to the entire places in this universe so long
you have connection and collusion its so easy to do business ??
indonesia is not exclusive to this easyness

in term of business connection/nepotism, according to some
survey your country the famous mr. clean Singapore, surprisingly,
is much worse than Indonesia

or is not so much surprising to singaporeans ??

[Xien Ting Loe™]

Post by babara
Can you say if it is more easy to make money in Indonesia currently, or
more easy in previously under the Suharto garment?.\

i dont know how to answer
this, quite confusing to me

but just to give you the
picture .... we didnt have
the KPK (Corruption Eradication
Commission) during Suharto's era
like what we have now, .... but
despite the almost every week
red-handed raids by KPK we see on
TV or read in medias, it seems
those corruptors (the honourable
Senators, Police officials, Attorney
General's staffs and even the most
shameful case of the Chief of Supreme
Court himself ... and also on the
other side the chinese businessmen
being the bribers ) are not discouraged
at all with the establishment of this KPK,

more over, apart from the KPK we also
have this PPATK (INDONESIAN FINANCIAL
TRANSACTION REPORTS AND ANALYSIS
CENTRE) to really squeeze tight the
room for potential corruptors to do
their cheatings and bad deeds, but all
these efforts dont seem to have reduced
the level of corruption of the country

i think the mentality is already deep
rooted in people's mind

some say it may take at least one
generation to wipe this bad character off
from people's mind

Post by babara
This is merely to share your thoughts and views, and not meant to make
bad comments of the country.

[babara]

In other word, you are saying the current KPK is also not effective to
control corruption. Right?

Did you mean the people in KPK is also unable to contain the corruptors?

Post by babara
Can you say if it is more easy to make money in Indonesia currently, or
more easy in previously under the Suharto garment?.\

i dont know how to answer
this, quite confusing to me

but just to give you the
picture .... we didnt have
the KPK (Corruption Eradication
Commission) during Suharto's era
like what we have now, .... but
despite the almost every week
red-handed raids by KPK we see on
TV or read in medias, it seems
those corruptors (the honourable
Senators, Police officials, Attorney
General's staffs and even the most
shameful case of the Chief of Supreme
Court himself ... and also on the
other side the chinese businessmen
being the bribers ) are not discouraged
at all with the establishment of this KPK,

more over, apart from the KPK we also
have this PPATK (INDONESIAN FINANCIAL
TRANSACTION REPORTS AND ANALYSIS
CENTRE) to really squeeze tight the
room for potential corruptors to do
their cheatings and bad deeds, but all
these efforts dont seem to have reduced
the level of corruption of the country

i think the mentality is already deep
rooted in people's mind

some say it may take at least one
generation to wipe this bad character off
from people's mind

Post by babara
This is merely to share your thoughts and views, and not meant to make
bad comments of the country.

[HH]

Do you know how many of these self made banks are still around?

Post by babara
What is the history of Riady father in Indonesia make their wealth?

i think i read before, Mochtar Riady (the father), a chinese extraction,

started off by working as an employee/staff to the super tycoon Indonesia

the late mr Lim Sui Liong (or Sudono Salim, his Indonesian name)

the owner and founder of the used to be #1 Conglomerate of Indonesia'

prior to Asia financial crisis 1998.


Mochtar Riady was sudono salim's right hand man in running salim's

initially owned bank "Bank Windu Kencana", it seemed Mochtar had expertise

in making the bank running better and later Mochtar helped Salim

establishing the renowned largest private-owned domestic bank i.e

BCA (Bank Central Asia) , although on the other hand we should not

neglect the fact that all Salim's companies were developing fast due

his very very close relationship with the late President Soeharto,


realizing his expertise in banking, soon Mochtar left Salim and

established his own bank "Lippo Bank", which was the embrio for

Mochtar to even developing into other industries like manufacturing,

properties, medias and IT , which made all these into conglomeration

or named Lippo Group .... anyway along with the 1998's asia turmoil

Lippo bank collapsed and other businesses of the group didnt

show good prospects and finally they decided to concentrate in properties

only until today


Mochtar has retired rom the Group and James the son took over steering

the group.


James, graduated from the US, has a close relationship with former President

Clinton, and there was a scandal revealed that James contributed ample
amount

of fund for Clinton's presidency campaign, only the authority found out the

amount of donation breached the maximum allowed , i think i remember James

got penalized by the court .

[Hiroko]

Which other billionaires have not reported to the tax office?.

Who is the corrupted rich people in Indonesia?





"Tan Sio May?" wrote in message news:***@news.datemas.de...


Tycoon James Riady, son of Mochtar
Riady ... founder/owner of Lippo Group
... property magnate ranked 6th in
Forbes' Wealthiest man/family in
Indonesia, with estimated net worth of
$2.2 billion, today visited a local tax
office to file tax amnesty request for
his group of companies

not only will he declares the unreported wealth
but also repatriate big chunk of the assets to
Indonesia



*) to those who have doubt thus need news links of this report to get
confirmed, they may find the links by Googling the web on their own,

[Bak Paow™]

Post by Hiroko
Which other billionaires have not reported to the tax office?.

for the tycoons ?? so far only Lippo Group
and Gemala Group owned by Sofyan Wanandi

too many hv not applied yet ........
so far mostly medium size business owners
haha ... still waiting for them to come,

the amnesty program will close March next year ,
but the tax rate applied will increase progressively
according to the time ellapsed , for instance
the 2-4% rate will last till the end of this month

[Tan Sing Kong™]

Post by Hiroko
Who is the corrupted rich people in Indonesia?

all the big groups , mostly chinese owned and few bumiputera owned,

they all are believed to corrupt somehow, one way or the other

[Hiroko]

How were the sons and daughters of Suharto asked to pay their tax also?

Were they investigated for non payment of tax?

Have they given up their massive corruption money?

Have Indonesia garment take back and remove their licenses, which were given
to them based on their relations of their father, Suharto?.

Post by Hiroko
Who is the corrupted rich people in Indonesia?

all the big groups , mostly chinese owned and few bumiputera owned,

they all are believed to corrupt somehow, one way or the other

[Bien Tiet Tan™]

Post by Hiroko
Have Indonesia garment take back and remove their licenses, which were
given to them based on their relations of their father, Suharto?.

theres no more exclusive licenses belonged to the family that we are aware
of, that are still in existance

the national car license given to tommy suharto, the youngest son,
gone already, not because license was removed but the business itself got
collapsed ater the 1998 financial crisis


now the family's businesses almost totally unheard, fading away

what the general attorney has made action onm, is effort to confiscate
4 trillion rupiah assets from Suharto's foundation , but not materialised
so far

[b***@gmail.com]

Say wat u like...a muslim country will be always a muslim country
When biz is concern...yup u local chinese may still got some loval vinnection to cari makan..but not for foreigner..
Foreigner who enter the market will be slaughter..
Same goes wit malaysia..once a foreigner invest money for projects..u see a never ending beeline of local malayu offical come knocking at your door...until u give up..
Tat is where.. If u travel thru some malaysia towns..ie JB or KL .u see few half done buildings..owner just gave up continuing the project.
Only big malaysian boy. Ie..berjaya. ytl.keck seng n some bumi linked companies are able to complete the project cos these big boys got direct contact wit top politician..so which junior officer dare to knock at their door?
Same goes on indonesian side...vos these two countries are muslim coubtries..endless corruption..

[Tae Phe Khong™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Same goes on indonesian side...vos these two countries are muslim
coubtries..endless corruption..

you mean the same, like massive corruptions in non-muslim countries, say

like China, the Phillipine, catholic-dominated south american countries ?


why are you always double standard ?? can you stick to being consistent ??

[b***@gmail.com]

Corruption is everywhere ..even in sg we do see corruption in sg..some cases by civil servant but on small scale..but in a muslim dominated country like malaysia..they got a PM who siphoned off billion frm a state owned company..1MDB..N he still hold office..OMG!!
Just imagine..a leader of a country team up wit outsider (foreigner) to steal frm his own country money!!!!
I believe this sort of con job can only happen in a muslim country..
Maybe he is a fool...but how can a fool calling himself as a leader?

[Bien Tiet Tan™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Corruption is everywhere ..

exactly !

than why did you talk otherwise ??

[b***@gmail.com]

Every human comes wit the 5 human weaknesses..n selfishness is one if it..
Every individual comes wit certain degree of selfishness...can never be the same n can never be compare ..
Same as corruption..each individual country has its own degree of corruption. .
Sg is no exceptional on this corruption practice but on small scale...as compare to indonesia..corruption is like cancerous disease to them.

[brenda]

Brian,

Why is JB is half done buildings?

This should not happen when the JB Sultan there, is so much bringing up
buildings and offices, and housing, for the huge well known Iskander
Development project ?




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Say wat u like...a muslim country will be always a muslim country
When biz is concern...yup u local chinese may still got some loval
vinnection to cari makan..but not for foreigner..
Foreigner who enter the market will be slaughter..
Same goes wit malaysia..once a foreigner invest money for projects..u see a
never ending beeline of local malayu offical come knocking at your
door...until u give up..
Tat is where.. If u travel thru some malaysia towns..ie JB or KL .u see few
half done buildings..owner just gave up continuing the project.
Only big malaysian boy. Ie..berjaya. ytl.keck seng n some bumi linked
companies are able to complete the project cos these big boys got direct
contact wit top politician..so which junior officer dare to knock at their
door?
Same goes on indonesian side...vos these two countries are muslim
coubtries..endless corruption..

[b***@gmail.com]

Harlool Brenda.. The sultan is also a Malaya leh.
According to the LON.. Rich ppl go for stability n peace.whereas the poor prefer chaos. Sultan is a very rich man..definitely he is a good guy at this moment
...wait till he is desperate or poor ( but tat won't happen LA).. It will be another story..
U don't know meh... Malayu is like tat wan..today got salary.. Tmr absent from work..when asked sire got excuses LA.
U tell me.. If u r hungry at nite n u feel like eating mee soto or meeting rebus.. U think u can find one around your neighbourhood..?


.

[brenda]

Like this, the investor who builds the building will lose money, as the
building is not completed on time.

It can even mean will be delayed for months and years.

So why would the investor wants to build their building there in JB the
first place.

So why would the Malaysian garment and the sultan in JB want investors to
invest there.

Why would they not solve their delays of their building of building there in
the first place?

Shouldn't they know that they have many cases of buildings there will not be
completed on time.

It may not even completed even in years, or forever, will be half completed.

Do you see this problem serious in JB?.





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Harlool Brenda.. The sultan is also a Malaya leh.
According to the LON.. Rich ppl go for stability n peace.whereas the poor
prefer chaos. Sultan is a very rich man..definitely he is a good guy at this
moment
...wait till he is desperate or poor ( but tat won't happen LA).. It will be
another story..
U don't know meh... Malayu is like tat wan..today got salary.. Tmr absent
from work..when asked sire got excuses LA.
U tell me.. If u r hungry at nite n u feel like eating mee soto or meeting
rebus.. U think u can find one around your neighbourhood..?


.

[b***@gmail.com]

Wat I see is.. If u got money to invest on big project.. U must get to know ppl like..minister or highly powered ppl.. If just know this lower rung officer.. U r going to be hit deep in your pocket.. Everyday u see officers from various govt dept come knocking at your door. If u know big shot such as Minister.. Those lower rung officers dare not disturb u..
Those "run road" developers whose build were half done.. They just cannot tahan the knocking at their door LA.

[Gorengi]

Even if one got a lot of money, do you think it is worth to invest on big
project in Johore.

How not be delayed, when there is a constant demand for bribes.

This will make the foreign businessmen from coming to invest in the country.




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Wat I see is.. If u got money to invest on big project.. U must get to know
ppl like..minister or highly powered ppl.. If just know this lower rung
officer.. U r going to be hit deep in your pocket.. Everyday u see officers
from various govt dept come knocking at your door. If u know big shot such
as Minister.. Those lower rung officers dare not disturb u..
Those "run road" developers whose build were half done.. They just cannot
tahan the knocking at their door LA.

[b***@gmail.com]

Tat is Wat I am trying to say.. No use to invest in Malaysia.
Malaysia biz involving medium project is only for their local Chinese.. Cos these locals know the in n out of their biz.. Big boy like YTL or Berjaya..when they involved big project.. They got Minister connection.. Probably they too give undertake money or percentage to these Ministers so those small fry's won't dare to come knocking at their door.

[Hiroko]

How much is 4 trillion rupiah in Singapore dollar or US dollars?

What is Suharto foundation for?

Is this foundation is their own bank savings?

Post by Hiroko
Have Indonesia garment take back and remove their licenses, which were
given to them based on their relations of their father, Suharto?.

theres no more exclusive licenses belonged to the family that we are aware
of, that are still in existance

the national car license given to tommy suharto, the youngest son,
gone already, not because license was removed but the business itself got
collapsed ater the 1998 financial crisis


now the family's businesses almost totally unheard, fading away

what the general attorney has made action onm, is effort to confiscate
4 trillion rupiah assets from Suharto's foundation , but not materialised
so far

[Tan Sio May™]

Post by Hiroko
How much is 4 trillion rupiah in Singapore dollar or US dollars?

its peanut of course compared to the total amount
people are estimating ....

[Hiroko]

4 trillion rupiah is equals to 412 million Singapore dollars.

415 million Singapore dollar is, no doubt, very huge, and is a lot to
Indonesia,

Is this amount held in Suharto foundation?

Any idea what is this foundation is meant for?

Is it a foundation for a charity purpose that is also used as an account
name to open a bank account to keep their money?

Post by Hiroko
How much is 4 trillion rupiah in Singapore dollar or US dollars?

its peanut of course compared to the total amount
people are estimating ....

[Goen Tieng Seng™]

Post by Hiroko
4 trillion rupiah is equals to 412 million Singapore dollars.
415 million Singapore dollar is, no doubt, very huge, and is a lot to
Indonesia,

its big amount indeed, but people believed its nothing compared
to the total amount he allegedly has corrupted during his 32
years time of his presidency

Post by Hiroko
Is this amount held in Suharto foundation?
Any idea what is this foundation is meant for?

he established quite several foundations as way and
cover up to corrupt people's money

establishing foundation is as tricky way to cover
up his act of collecting money from his people

Post by Hiroko
Is it a foundation for a charity purpose that is also used as an account
name to open a bank account to keep their money?

in the case of this particular fondation, at that time he instructed
all companies to donate 2.5% from their net income , to his foundation,
the reason being ... to help building schools and provide education to
those needy children in the remote villages/islands , of course this is just
a fake reason , at that time no one has the gut to audit/scrunitize the
proper use of the collected donation ... the 2.5% figure is taken from Quran
teaching , like the tithing in Christianity

Post by Hiroko

Post by Hiroko
How much is 4 trillion rupiah in Singapore dollar or US dollars?

its peanut of course compared to the total amount
people are estimating ....

[Hiroko]

This means there are several foundations had been used to store their
corruption money, which they siphoned from the state for rural programs, and
from forced donations from those companies required by him.

Do you know from the open public information of how many foundations were
there?

And also how much money were still with them from their these foundations?

Have they bought condo and houses in Singapore and elsewhere, like UK,
Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong?

Are they still behaving in a powerful behaviour ways of bullying in
Indonesia, thinking they are still under the shadow of their dictator, the
late Suharto?

Post by Hiroko
4 trillion rupiah is equals to 412 million Singapore dollars.
415 million Singapore dollar is, no doubt, very huge, and is a lot to
Indonesia,

its big amount indeed, but people believed its nothing compared
to the total amount he allegedly has corrupted during his 32
years time of his presidency

Post by Hiroko
Is this amount held in Suharto foundation?
Any idea what is this foundation is meant for?

he established quite several foundations as way and
cover up to corrupt people's money

establishing foundation is as tricky way to cover
up his act of collecting money from his people

Post by Hiroko
Is it a foundation for a charity purpose that is also used as an account
name to open a bank account to keep their money?

in the case of this particular fondation, at that time he instructed
all companies to donate 2.5% from their net income , to his foundation,
the reason being ... to help building schools and provide education to
those needy children in the remote villages/islands , of course this is just
a fake reason , at that time no one has the gut to audit/scrunitize the
proper use of the collected donation ... the 2.5% figure is taken from Quran
teaching , like the tithing in Christianity

Post by Hiroko

Post by Hiroko
How much is 4 trillion rupiah in Singapore dollar or US dollars?

its peanut of course compared to the total amount
people are estimating ....

[Tae Phe Khong™]

Post by Hiroko
Are they still behaving in a powerful behaviour ways of bullying in
Indonesia, thinking they are still under the shadow of their dictator, the
late Suharto?

the family is fading away,
almost see/read nothing
on the medias about them
now except some cheap
love affair scandal gossip
about the spoiled brat youngest
children/son Tommy Suharto
whos famous being womanizer
even since his father was still
in power

in fact, experiencing the hardship
of present living condition, some
people/movement are missing and
longing from the "better or goodness"
life during Suharto's era (despite his
dictatorship) and wishing the "good
old days" can be brought back to
present , i.e stable economy,
national security and sovereignity etc
.... there's obvious gesture of Tommy that
he and his elder sister (ex wife of the
famous general Prabowo) seems to get
interested to take advantage of this
sentiment factor of public to gain
sympathy and gather followers for
his political movement in the next round
presidency election 2019

[Hiroko]

From the look of it, Indonesians have been submerged for years under the
image of Suharto, as their discipline stabiliser after the tumultuous years
of Sukarno.

That was why for 35 years of Suharto rule, he had progressed himself into a
crafty dictator, manifesting with increasing powers years after years of
rubber-stamped elected president under military rule.

His powers ensured him for 35 years, and finally his ultimate failure came
from their outcome of economic collapsed, currency devaluations, and foreign
debt.

They eventually led to rioting, destruction, and vandalism of
infrastructures, properties, and buildings, that they became his exit as
president.

From the look of your words, it looks like the 35 years of corruptions had
manifested deeply in the country, that it will take a long time to get rid
of the addiction of corruption.

Post by Hiroko
Are they still behaving in a powerful behaviour ways of bullying in
Indonesia, thinking they are still under the shadow of their dictator, the
late Suharto?

the family is fading away,
almost see/read nothing
on the medias about them
now except some cheap
love affair scandal gossip
about the spoiled brat youngest
children/son Tommy Suharto
whos famous being womanizer
even since his father was still
in power

in fact, experiencing the hardship
of present living condition, some
people/movement are missing and
longing from the "better or goodness"
life during Suharto's era (despite his
dictatorship) and wishing the "good
old days" can be brought back to
present , i.e stable economy,
national security and sovereignity etc
.... there's obvious gesture of Tommy that
he and his elder sister (ex wife of the
famous general Prabowo) seems to get
interested to take advantage of this
sentiment factor of public to gain
sympathy and gather followers for
his political movement in the next round
presidency election 2019

[b***@gmail.com]

U can say tat at this moment Jokowi is clean ..later on he is forced to be corrupted..just like SBY..the previous President..hehehe.

[Gwa Poe Sing™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
U can say tat at this moment Jokowi is clean ..later on he is forced to
be corrupted..just like SBY..the previous President..hehehe.

..."just like SBY.."

what do you mean ??
are you suggesting he was
clean before stepping into
his presidential office , and only
involved in corruption when he
was in charge as president

do you know SBY's background ??
especially his late father in law's ??

not that i'm proud of that
of course, but your knowledge
about indonesia is obviously
limited

[b***@gmail.com]

Harlooo when I talk. I usually apply the LON.
When a man is rich... He maybe a family man or not so interested wit girls... But girls will come knocking at his door.. Becos he is rich wit hi standing in society.. Which girl don't go for such hi status man?
Abt SBY.. As I said.. When he was just installed as President he was certainly a clean man.. After been sitting on tat hi chair for awhile.. Corruption will knock at his door.
Corruption is not exactly talking money.. As Wat most ppl think this way.. Corruption can be favoritism.. Or nepotism...or getting favour or Priority/privillege

[b***@gmail.com]

Harlooo when I talk. I usually apply the LON.
When a man is rich... He maybe a family man or not so interested wit girls... But girls will come knocking at his door.. Becos he is rich wit hi standing in society.. Which girl don't go for such hi status man?
Abt SBY.. As I said.. When he was just installed as President he was certainly a clean man.. After been sitting on tat hi chair for awhile.. Corruption will knock at his door.
Corruption is not exactly talking money.. As Wat most ppl think this way.. Corruption can be favoritism.. Or nepotism...or getting favour or Priority/privillege

[lovely]

Brian,

It is the rich, who has a lot of powers to get their girls.

They can tell another businessman that he is interested of that particular
girls in their work lace.

After that, he can influence his company to give that businessman a sale.

The girl also can entertain them when the go drinking and dinner to advance
their business relations.




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Harlooo when I talk. I usually apply the LON.
When a man is rich... He maybe a family man or not so interested wit
girls... But girls will come knocking at his door.. Becos he is rich wit hi
standing in society.. Which girl don't go for such hi status man?
Abt SBY.. As I said.. When he was just installed as President he was
certainly a clean man.. After been sitting on tat hi chair for awhile..
Corruption will knock at his door.
Corruption is not exactly talking money.. As Wat most ppl think this way..
Corruption can be favoritism.. Or nepotism...or getting favour or
Priority/privillege

[Hiroko]

What background is sby, and his father in law?

Post by b***@gmail.com
U can say tat at this moment Jokowi is clean ..later on he is forced to
be corrupted..just like SBY..the previous President..hehehe.

..."just like SBY.."

what do you mean ??
are you suggesting he was
clean before stepping into
his presidential office , and only
involved in corruption when he
was in charge as president

do you know SBY's background ??
especially his late father in law's ??

not that i'm proud of that
of course, but your knowledge
about indonesia is obviously
limited

[Hiroko]

Gwa Poe Sing,

Is SBY and his father very clean and special to your people?

Post by b***@gmail.com
U can say tat at this moment Jokowi is clean ..later on he is forced to
be corrupted..just like SBY..the previous President..hehehe.

..."just like SBY.."

what do you mean ??
are you suggesting he was
clean before stepping into
his presidential office , and only
involved in corruption when he
was in charge as president

do you know SBY's background ??
especially his late father in law's ??

not that i'm proud of that
of course, but your knowledge
about indonesia is obviously
limited

[Tae Phe Khong™]

Post by Hiroko
Are they still behaving in a powerful behaviour ways of bullying in
Indonesia, thinking they are still under the shadow of their dictator, the
late Suharto?

the family is fading away,
almost see/read nothing
on the medias about them
now except some cheap
love affair scandal gossip
about the spoiled brat youngest
children/son Tommy Suharto
whos famous being womanizer
even since his father was still
in power

in fact, experiencing the hardship
of present living condition, some
people/movement are missing and
longing from the "better or goodness"
life during Suharto's era (despite his
dictatorship) and wishing the "good
old days" can be brought back to
present , i.e stable economy,
national security and sovereignity etc
.... there's obvious gesture of Tommy that
he and his elder sister (ex wife of the
famous general Prabowo) seems to get
interested to take advantage of this
sentiment factor of public to gain
sympathy and gather followers for
his political movement in the next round
presidency election 2019

[Hiroko]

This means there are several foundations had been used to store their
corruption money, which they siphoned from the state for rural programs, and
from forced donations from those companies required by him.

Do you know from the open public information of how many foundations were
there?

And also how much money were still with them from their these foundations?

Have they bought condo and houses in Singapore and elsewhere, like UK,
Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong?

Are they still behaving in a powerful behaviour ways of bullying in
Indonesia, thinking they are still under the shadow of their dictator, the
late Suharto?

Post by Hiroko
4 trillion rupiah is equals to 412 million Singapore dollars.
415 million Singapore dollar is, no doubt, very huge, and is a lot to
Indonesia,

its big amount indeed, but people believed its nothing compared
to the total amount he allegedly has corrupted during his 32
years time of his presidency

Post by Hiroko
Is this amount held in Suharto foundation?
Any idea what is this foundation is meant for?

he established quite several foundations as way and
cover up to corrupt people's money

establishing foundation is as tricky way to cover
up his act of collecting money from his people

Post by Hiroko
Is it a foundation for a charity purpose that is also used as an account
name to open a bank account to keep their money?

in the case of this particular fondation, at that time he instructed
all companies to donate 2.5% from their net income , to his foundation,
the reason being ... to help building schools and provide education to
those needy children in the remote villages/islands , of course this is just
a fake reason , at that time no one has the gut to audit/scrunitize the
proper use of the collected donation ... the 2.5% figure is taken from Quran
teaching , like the tithing in Christianity

Post by Hiroko

Post by Hiroko
How much is 4 trillion rupiah in Singapore dollar or US dollars?

its peanut of course compared to the total amount
people are estimating ....

[misako]

How many other billionaires have reported to the tax office?

Are those Indonesia billionaires still live in Indonesia or have moved
abroad?

How many have moved abroad to which countries?






"Tan Sio May?" wrote in message news:***@news.datemas.de...


Tycoon James Riady, son of Mochtar
Riady ... founder/owner of Lippo Group
... property magnate ranked 6th in
Forbes' Wealthiest man/family in
Indonesia, with estimated net worth of
$2.2 billion, today visited a local tax
office to file tax amnesty request for
his group of companies

not only will he declares the unreported wealth
but also repatriate big chunk of the assets to
Indonesia



*) to those who have doubt thus need news links of this report to get
confirmed, they may find the links by Googling the web on their own,

[Gwa Gan Teng™]

Post by misako
Are those Indonesia billionaires still live in Indonesia or have moved
abroad?

most of them of course resides in indonesia ... but its more about
the business their doing in indonesia, the profit they earn from
doing business in indonesia

[misako]

If are they still residing in Indonesia, the Indonesia garment can issue a
writ on them to appear in court.

They can then charge them for refusal to report their tax evasions.

By they way, why those Indonesia billionaires still like to stay in
Indonesia?.

With so much money, surely they can move to a very nice big house or condo
in Singapore, Japan, America, France and Europe.

Why they still stay in behind time's Indonesia?

Post by misako
Are those Indonesia billionaires still live in Indonesia or have moved
abroad?

most of them of course resides in indonesia ... but its more about
the business their doing in indonesia, the profit they earn from
doing business in indonesia

[Tan Sio May™]

Post by misako
If are they still residing in Indonesia, the Indonesia garment can issue a
writ on them to appear in court.
They can then charge them for refusal to report their tax evasions.

yes later after Aug 2018, when inter bank disclosure agreement
in effect

but today we encourage rich people to report and repatriate first
by giving amnesty

Post by misako
By they way, why those Indonesia billionaires still like to stay in
Indonesia?.

oh you just dont know how good it is to live in Indonesia
just ask those who have the experience , hear what majority say

Post by misako
With so much money, surely they can move to a very nice big house or condo
in Singapore, Japan, America, France and Europe.
Why they still stay in behind time's Indonesia?

of course they have all those ranch houses, mansions, condos etc overseas
but just as means of investment , and run away places during week end
or holiday after the hard working lol ... but they still love to live in big
cities in indonesia, since most of their families live in the country too

they only send their children to study overseas and call them back home
once they are graduated

but particularly coz they want to run the business on their own,
to take control of everything , to ensure their companies
running properly according to the plans/strategies they have
set ... since their production facilities and market is within
this country's territory ... you know lah, very typical traditional way of
rich chinese owner when running business

[sweety]

Why do the majority rich still want to stay in Indonesia where the condition
of infrastructure and facilities is not to standards?.

Post by misako
Are those Indonesia billionaires still live in Indonesia or have moved
abroad?

most of them of course resides in indonesia ... but its more about
the business their doing in indonesia, the profit they earn from
doing business in indonesia

[Kwee Tiauw™]

Post by sweety
Why do the majority rich still want to stay in Indonesia where the
condition of infrastructure and facilities is not to standards?.

geeeez, goodness ... my dear friend the way you say it ...

as if Indonesia is some backwarded uncivilized country,
thats why i keep asking you when was the last time you come to jakarta ??

many mall buildings in jakarta are even more modern and breathtaking
than those in melbourne for instance

despite the hectic trafic and unbearable jams, the rest are okay
and acceptable ... otherwise why would my european/japanese/american
ex-bosses wished to be stationed longer in Jakarta than in Singapore ??

check with our best buddy Alexx, he visits Jakarta quite regularly
coz he has business in indonesia ( i believe its water treatment business),
get some ideas from him ....


besides as asian, dont we have this old saying "hujan emas di negeri orang,
hujan batu di negeri sendiri" ... ??

[sweety]

We come to Indonesia in the past years, but the corruption climate is very
visible.

The roads were congested, that sitting in vehicle boring and tiresome.

One can stuck from hours on the road.

One needs a potty to standby to pee in the vehicle.

It can be embarrassing when in the car to pee,

Please advise if this potty is common in vehicle?

Is there such used of potty on Indonesia.

Is potty commonly sold in Indonesia?

Post by sweety
Why do the majority rich still want to stay in Indonesia where the
condition of infrastructure and facilities is not to standards?.

geeeez, goodness ... my dear friend the way you say it ...

as if Indonesia is some backwarded uncivilized country,
thats why i keep asking you when was the last time you come to jakarta ??

many mall buildings in jakarta are even more modern and breathtaking
than those in melbourne for instance

despite the hectic trafic and unbearable jams, the rest are okay
and acceptable ... otherwise why would my european/japanese/american
ex-bosses wished to be stationed longer in Jakarta than in Singapore ??

check with our best buddy Alexx, he visits Jakarta quite regularly
coz he has business in indonesia ( i believe its water treatment business),
get some ideas from him ....


besides as asian, dont we have this old saying "hujan emas di negeri orang,
hujan batu di negeri sendiri" ... ??

[HH]

Indonesia is not hassle free place to work or visit.


We have to pay tipping to everyone.


We have to bring a calculator to convert to their currency.

Post by sweety
Why do the majority rich still want to stay in Indonesia where the
condition of infrastructure and facilities is not to standards?.

geeeez, goodness ... my dear friend the way you say it ...

as if Indonesia is some backwarded uncivilized country,
thats why i keep asking you when was the last time you come to jakarta ??

many mall buildings in jakarta are even more modern and breathtaking
than those in melbourne for instance

despite the hectic trafic and unbearable jams, the rest are okay
and acceptable ... otherwise why would my european/japanese/american
ex-bosses wished to be stationed longer in Jakarta than in Singapore ??

check with our best buddy Alexx, he visits Jakarta quite regularly
coz he has business in indonesia ( i believe its water treatment business),
get some ideas from him ....


besides as asian, dont we have this old saying "hujan emas di negeri orang,
hujan batu di negeri sendiri" ... ??

[b***@gmail.com]

U must remember this... Sg is white... Indinesia is black.. Malaysia is grey..

White Sg is clean LA.. Black Indonesia is.. U can see them (govt Sept or other agencies) they demand under table money openly..n u can get Wat u want from them after paying the freak. Grey Malaysia is.. U pay undertake to this guy but u still not sure u r able to get Wat u want... Cos next day there will be more coming knocking at your door.
Tat is why u see few half done buildings around their town.. Developers (mostly foreigner investors) Just gave up.. Can't take it. Where u find half done building in sg?
The last half done building was "Chinatown point"..being laid there for not of years.previously owned n build by Mr Hoe.. Owner of People Park Centre.. Later was taken over by CDL..to do the finishing touch. Cdl owned n managed the build.. Till lately I saw major renovation there.. I ask Leng Joo abt this major renovation over at Chinatown n he told me Chinatown Point was sold to one Mr Phua.. N Leng Joo praise Mr Phua for doing a good job..
I dont know abt this Mr Phua background..cos I didn't ask leng Joo further abt Mr. Phua..

[Bak Paow™]

Post by HH
Indonesia is not hassle free place to work or visit.
We have to pay tipping to everyone.
We have to bring a calculator to convert to their currency.

then those thousands of westerners and japanese and
many other foreigners who find and feel comfortable
staying and working in indonesia must be stupidly
stupid huh ??

[b***@gmail.com]

Your fucking stupid Indonesian govt..just becos money n undertable u ppl hv destroy the whole Indonesia ecosystem ..do u know tat 70% of whole palembang forest is being destroyed just for palm oil plantation? Got such thing as?

[Loe Boo Hong™]

Post by sweety
Why do the majority rich still want to stay in Indonesia where the
condition of infrastructure and facilities is not to standards?.

yes our infrastructures still need further improvement

but hey dont you know, according to World bank Indonesia now is ranked 10th
largest World's economy

pretty soon, as forecasted by international research of leading
international banks that no later than 2030 we'll be ranked 4th largest
after China, the US
and India

Indonesia is a huge market (despite the rather sub standard inrastructure
condition), the middle-top economic classes of the country is now emerging

many leading brands of consumer products are now flooding indonesia's market

investors are closely looking at indonesia's market nowadays, so why
investing to overseas instead ??

[sweety]

Those investors are mostly established brands companies bring their consumer
products like toothpaste, soap, shampoo, and so on, for distributions to the
masses.

The rating is more about potential of the future.

But, like everything else, it goes up and down.

And worse, most times, the economy is not consistent with the rating.

This is because much of other factors have not been factored in the makeup
of the rating.

And moreover, the dynamic situation of the economy of the country and the
world is constantly evolving.

There maybe riot, terrorism, shortage of cooking oil, rising petrol prices,
and other political upheavals in the region or in the country that will
upturn the country.

Post by sweety
Why do the majority rich still want to stay in Indonesia where the
condition of infrastructure and facilities is not to standards?.

yes our infrastructures still need further improvement

but hey dont you know, according to World bank Indonesia now is ranked 10th
largest World's economy

pretty soon, as forecasted by international research of leading
international banks that no later than 2030 we'll be ranked 4th largest
after China, the US
and India

Indonesia is a huge market (despite the rather sub standard inrastructure
condition), the middle-top economic classes of the country is now emerging

many leading brands of consumer products are now flooding indonesia's market

investors are closely looking at indonesia's market nowadays, so why
investing to overseas instead ??

[b***@gmail.com]

Rich or poor is inmaterial..when we r talking abt atittude towarf gellow human...most of these rich indon biz man r all mother fucker..cos most of tgem r snobbish n action..
They dont like u...they can throw money at u..just to hurt u..
U can see hpw they slash n burn their forest just becos of palm oil..yhey dont fuck care abt the environment..

[Goen Tieng Seng™]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Rich or poor is inmaterial..when we r talking abt atittude towarf gellow
human...most of these rich indon biz man r all mother fucker..cos most
of tgem r snobbish n action.. They dont like u...they can throw money at
u..just to hurt u.. U can see hpw they slash n burn their forest just
becos of palm oil..yhey dont fuck care abt the environment..

many of leading palm oil plantation in indonesia owned by chinese singaporean
or malaysia, ,,,they re usually mjor stake holder of the joint venture
compnay

no wonder they fit your description of being snobbish and they dont fuck care
abt the environment.. coz they are singaporean

[Johanne Strause]

Why they don't care about the environment is when they find they can neglect
their employees welfare and health. too.

This happened is because the Indonesian garment is distracted from their
focus of duties.

They substitute their focus on collecting of corruption money from them
instead.

Post by b***@gmail.com
Rich or poor is inmaterial..when we r talking abt atittude towarf gellow
human...most of these rich indon biz man r all mother fucker..cos most
of tgem r snobbish n action.. They dont like u...they can throw money at
u..just to hurt u.. U can see hpw they slash n burn their forest just
becos of palm oil..yhey dont fuck care abt the environment..

many of leading palm oil plantation in indonesia owned by chinese
singaporean
or malaysia, ,,,they re usually mjor stake holder of the joint venture
compnay

no wonder they fit your description of being snobbish and they dont fuck
care
abt the environment.. coz they are singaporean

[Bak Paow™]

Post by Johanne Strause
Why they don't care about the environment is when they find they can
neglect their employees welfare and health. too.
This happened is because the Indonesian garment is distracted from their
focus of duties.

the chinese singaporean/malaysian
owners of the palm oil company
work hand in hand with the corrupt
watch policemen, these bastardous
chinese businessmen bribe the
local authorities so not to take
them to jail

so you singaporean actually inhale
the haze that created by your own
fellow countrymen


aint that beautiful ?????

[b***@gmail.com]

Halloo my fren.. Wat u said abt sg companies that involved wit the haze.. Harlooo Wat I know most of these foreign companies are the Malaysian companies.. Even Sg company like Wilmer is also part of a malaysia company. So Wat other Sg company is involved..
I came to know a polish man..he teamed up with a batak to own a 3000 hectare of palm oil plantation.. N I believe they oso did the slash n burn method. Wat do u expect from a batak man? Last year their palm seed mature n they sold their harvest to a contractor for abt USD 400,000..

[Bien Tiet Tan™]

now you singaporean, eat your own haze

your fellow singaporean burn the bush

bribe the police and authorities

why now blame Indonesian ??


you sow what you reap


hahaha

[lovely]

Is there any more 3000 hectares available for sale in Indonesia?



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Halloo my fren.. Wat u said abt sg companies that involved wit the haze..
Harlooo Wat I know most of these foreign companies are the Malaysian
companies.. Even Sg company like Wilmer is also part of a malaysia company.
So Wat other Sg company is involved..
I came to know a polish man..he teamed up with a batak to own a 3000
hectare of palm oil plantation.. N I believe they oso did the slash n burn
method. Wat do u expect from a batak man? Last year their palm seed mature n
they sold their harvest to a contractor for abt USD 400,000..

[Johanne Strause]

Most of the plantation owners belong to Indonesia or Joint ventures?

Post by Johanne Strause
Why they don't care about the environment is when they find they can
neglect their employees welfare and health. too.
This happened is because the Indonesian garment is distracted from their
focus of duties.

the chinese singaporean/malaysian
owners of the palm oil company
work hand in hand with the corrupt
watch policemen, these bastardous
chinese businessmen bribe the
local authorities so not to take
them to jail

so you singaporean actually inhale
the haze that created by your own
fellow countrymen


aint that beautiful ?????

[Johanne Strause]

Corruption is happening in every country.

But if the garment minsters and civil servants are involved, the corruption
problem is rooted.

Countries with strong garment minsters and civil servants will prevail over
their evils,

If they have strong anti-corruption agency is a strength to eliminate it and
to contain the growth of it.

Indonesia indeed may take a generation to removed corruption mindsets from
its peoples.

One cannot expect to change Indonesians in a few years, after seeing their
Suharto and family, and their cronies, had milked their country for 35 years
by his dictator military rule.

Post by b***@gmail.com
Rich or poor is inmaterial..when we r talking abt atittude towarf gellow
human...most of these rich indon biz man r all mother fucker..cos most
of tgem r snobbish n action.. They dont like u...they can throw money at
u..just to hurt u.. U can see hpw they slash n burn their forest just
becos of palm oil..yhey dont fuck care abt the environment..

many of leading palm oil plantation in indonesia owned by chinese
singaporean
or malaysia, ,,,they re usually mjor stake holder of the joint venture
compnay

no wonder they fit your description of being snobbish and they dont fuck
care
abt the environment.. coz they are singaporean

[Tan Sio May™]

Post by Johanne Strause
Countries with strong garment minsters and civil servants will prevail
over their evils,

you mean like in Singapore ?? the PAPists ??

[Johanne Strause]

They are one of the countries.

But they overpaid themselves to prevent corruption, so to speak.

Instead, of money corruption, some of them got into corruption on
extra-marital affairs instead.

They have affairs instead, so to speak.

When a person is highly paid, they have time to money on affairs.

A few of them got caught and quickly stepped down.

Post by Johanne Strause
Countries with strong garment minsters and civil servants will prevail
over their evils,

you mean like in Singapore ?? the PAPists ??