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The HSR will likely be the next to be scrapped.
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stoney
2018-05-18 01:25:09 UTC
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The HSR train is likely to be next project to be scrapped.


Even thought the project runs from state to state in the west of

mainland of Malaysia it will be like a ECRL with enough of profits

from the revenues too.


The HRS is mostly run in Malaysia with only one station in Singapore.


In this case, the train will be operated and controlled by the

Malaysia side of the ministry of transport.


That means, they can decide whether to run a train service or not, if

there is not enough of demand for its tickets to travel among their states.


Also, if there is not enough demand of tickets for train service to the

station in Singapore, they can even cancel the train service trip

to Singapore, too.


If there is not demand for its tickets for its Singapore station, the
Malaysian

authority that is controlling of their side of HSR operations can decide to

ply their HSR train between their own states only and skip their service

to the station in Singapore.


This is definitely one of the many ways of approaches to economizing

and grouping all their passengers in one of train service instead,


This is also to ensure their empty or insufficient train passenger loads in
their HSR

operation is not wasted of empty or half empty train service.


In this way, it will make their HSR train service to lose money because of

frequent half empty or empty service.


This approaches of economizing is well used by SMRT in Singapore.

In Singapore, when at night after their 10 pm daily, their train service

will be announced that their train service will end midway at another
station.


This means there will be a skip of some stations from its completion of
services

till the end of the line.


In this case, passengers have to alight from their train at the "midway"
station and

then wait for the next train in the next 3 to 5 minutes for their continuity
to the

rest of the stations until the end of service line.


With this "skipping" of stations approaches, it can also mean that the
Malaysian

side of the HSR operator can also skip some of the stations among their own

states if there is no traveller demands for their tickets to that state does

not justify their stops.


When there is not demand of passengers in Malaysia for its high

paying train fares, it will soon become a white elephant.


When the HSR is operated like a white elephant, the train will be left in
the

in train station or parked in the train storage depot.


In this case, there will be a number of empty HSR trains will be parked

in Singapore side of their train station in Jurong East.


A lot of space has to be devoted to store and support the activity of

these HSR trains which are not running and are left in the train aprons

waiting to be run.


The HSR train station and train storage depot in Jurong East station will

be combined as one piece of land.


This HSR train station cum HSR train depot will be built on the currently

acquired golf land of the entire land of the Jurong Country CLub.


The huge piece of the golf club is rather worthy to building of hundred

of HDBs and not for a few huge "white elephant" HSR trains instead..


This HSR train service will also be a flopped to Singapore station as

there is not enough of high paying passengers prepared to pay their

daily trips to visits or work in Singapore.


Most Malaysian workers come to Singapore to work daily by public

SBS bus transport at their JB Larkin station.


Some other Malaysians take the private buses organised by their

Singapore side employers.


Also, many of them used their own motorcycles or cars to travel to

Singapore, too.


This come by this way is also because they have no worries of paying

for high parking fees in Singapore car-parks.


This is because they worked in factories in Singapore and thus they can

park their cars or motorcycles in their employer's car-park spaces within

their factory spaces.


In short, all the Malaysians working in Singapore on a daily basis will not

afford to pay their hefty fares to travel to work.


They also don't have the time for long distance travel from their

far-distanced towns to travel to Singapore for work.


They would rather rent a room with a group of Malaysians in a

rented house in Johor Bahru and then commute to Singapore by

public SBS buses or by motor-cycles.


Even travelling in Singapore or Malaysian cars are too expensive for

daily travels as the fees charged at the immigration point is expensive.


This is another reason why the Malaysians will not used the HSR. They

will used the HSR if they to rush back for their Chinese new year.


This is when their Malaysian express buses were fully booked or no more

service available to them.


Also, being the majority of HSR stations are owned by Malaysia, the

Malaysian side will likely be in total control the all the operation
decisions

of all the operation schedules of the HSR, they can ignore the

operate of their HSR train schedule to the Singapore station.


Finally, based on all these realities of reasons, it is very likely that the
HSR

will be unprofitable with many idles of HSR trains parked in train station

and depot on both side of Malaysia and Singapore.


They will look parked there looking like "white elephants". They will be

looed "empty" like the unprofitable "white elephant" of the indoor stadium,

national stadium, and the "garden by the bay".
stoney
2018-05-18 01:28:21 UTC
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Correction:

"Even though the project runs from state to state in the west of

mainland of Malaysia it will be like a ECRL with not enough of profits

from the revenues too".





"stoney" wrote in message news:pdla18$3rg$***@dont-email.me...



The HSR train is likely to be next project to be scrapped.


Even thought the project runs from state to state in the west of

mainland of Malaysia it will be like a ECRL with enough of profits

from the revenues too.


The HRS is mostly run in Malaysia with only one station in Singapore.


In this case, the train will be operated and controlled by the

Malaysia side of the ministry of transport.


That means, they can decide whether to run a train service or not, if

there is not enough of demand for its tickets to travel among their states.


Also, if there is not enough demand of tickets for train service to the

station in Singapore, they can even cancel the train service trip

to Singapore, too.


If there is not demand for its tickets for its Singapore station, the
Malaysian

authority that is controlling of their side of HSR operations can decide to

ply their HSR train between their own states only and skip their service

to the station in Singapore.


This is definitely one of the many ways of approaches to economizing

and grouping all their passengers in one of train service instead,


This is also to ensure their empty or insufficient train passenger loads in
their HSR

operation is not wasted of empty or half empty train service.


In this way, it will make their HSR train service to lose money because of

frequent half empty or empty service.


This approaches of economizing is well used by SMRT in Singapore.

In Singapore, when at night after their 10 pm daily, their train service

will be announced that their train service will end midway at another
station.


This means there will be a skip of some stations from its completion of
services

till the end of the line.


In this case, passengers have to alight from their train at the "midway"
station and

then wait for the next train in the next 3 to 5 minutes for their continuity
to the

rest of the stations until the end of service line.


With this "skipping" of stations approaches, it can also mean that the
Malaysian

side of the HSR operator can also skip some of the stations among their own

states if there is no traveller demands for their tickets to that state does

not justify their stops.


When there is not demand of passengers in Malaysia for its high

paying train fares, it will soon become a white elephant.


When the HSR is operated like a white elephant, the train will be left in
the

in train station or parked in the train storage depot.


In this case, there will be a number of empty HSR trains will be parked

in Singapore side of their train station in Jurong East.


A lot of space has to be devoted to store and support the activity of

these HSR trains which are not running and are left in the train aprons

waiting to be run.


The HSR train station and train storage depot in Jurong East station will

be combined as one piece of land.


This HSR train station cum HSR train depot will be built on the currently

acquired golf land of the entire land of the Jurong Country CLub.


The huge piece of the golf club is rather worthy to building of hundred

of HDBs and not for a few huge "white elephant" HSR trains instead..


This HSR train service will also be a flopped to Singapore station as

there is not enough of high paying passengers prepared to pay their

daily trips to visits or work in Singapore.


Most Malaysian workers come to Singapore to work daily by public

SBS bus transport at their JB Larkin station.


Some other Malaysians take the private buses organised by their

Singapore side employers.


Also, many of them used their own motorcycles or cars to travel to

Singapore, too.


This come by this way is also because they have no worries of paying

for high parking fees in Singapore car-parks.


This is because they worked in factories in Singapore and thus they can

park their cars or motorcycles in their employer's car-park spaces within

their factory spaces.


In short, all the Malaysians working in Singapore on a daily basis will not

afford to pay their hefty fares to travel to work.


They also don't have the time for long distance travel from their

far-distanced towns to travel to Singapore for work.


They would rather rent a room with a group of Malaysians in a

rented house in Johor Bahru and then commute to Singapore by

public SBS buses or by motor-cycles.


Even travelling in Singapore or Malaysian cars are too expensive for

daily travels as the fees charged at the immigration point is expensive.


This is another reason why the Malaysians will not used the HSR. They

will used the HSR if they to rush back for their Chinese new year.


This is when their Malaysian express buses were fully booked or no more

service available to them.


Also, being the majority of HSR stations are owned by Malaysia, the

Malaysian side will likely be in total control the all the operation
decisions

of all the operation schedules of the HSR, they can ignore the

operate of their HSR train schedule to the Singapore station.


Finally, based on all these realities of reasons, it is very likely that the
HSR

will be unprofitable with many idles of HSR trains parked in train station

and depot on both side of Malaysia and Singapore.


They will look parked there looking like "white elephants". They will be

looed "empty" like the unprofitable "white elephant" of the indoor stadium,

national stadium, and the "garden by the bay".
b***@gmail.com
2018-05-18 12:57:06 UTC
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CECB thought tat this HSR train line will be the same as our own homegrown MRT line..transporting million passengers daily..

When I was at TBS ( KL bus interchange) early morning..I saw the KLIA express train passing thru..the whole train only carry abt two to three passengers to the airport.. Like tat how to make money?
The_Inquirer
2018-05-18 15:08:46 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
CECB thought tat this HSR train line will be the same as our own homegrown MRT line..transporting million passengers daily..
When I was at TBS ( KL bus interchange) early morning..I saw the KLIA express train passing thru..the whole train only carry abt two to three passengers to the airport.. Like tat how to make money?
how can you say that?!?

maybe the two or three passengers are Sweep Floor Arabia princes? how
would you know? right?
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HH
2018-05-18 16:15:21 UTC
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The KLIA express train runs from the KL airport to the KL central.

It has a 56 km distance from city central and KL airport.

And the train has only a total of only 5 stops.


This means this express train does not suit the needs

of local passengers, who need to go to their home

towns and villages.


Most people there prefer to ride their own motor-bike

or drive their own car instead.


To their locals, there is a need for a convenient

transport.


This is especially so for those with mobility problem to

move on in their travel to all parts of Malaysia.


This includes their going to villagers and suburbs and

city centre, too.





wrote in message news:707137e1-3673-4468-b049-***@googlegroups.com...

CECB thought tat this HSR train line will be the same as our own homegrown
MRT line..transporting million passengers daily..

When I was at TBS ( KL bus interchange) early morning..I saw the KLIA
express train passing thru..the whole train only carry abt two to three
passengers to the airport.. Like tat how to make money?
stoney
2018-05-18 19:23:48 UTC
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Malaysia is a big country, and most people need cars and vans

and motorcycles to reach their homes and places, where trains

and main buses are not able to reach them conveniently.


Although high speed train from one state to another in the

west side of Malaysia can bring convenient of speedy

travel those states, but in reality, it is not necessary,

as comfortable tourists coaches and air-con comfortable

buses are more flexible for them.


The travel agent of buses and coaches at each state can plan

and execute a customised flexible bus routes for its customers

at certain days of the week for their customers to reach

certain places of their wishes.


A high speed train from one town of a state travelling at

high speed to another town of another state cannot shorten

the saving of the train time with the coach and bus.


This is because train passengers have to alight a the train station

and then take a bus and coach to their eventual place of visit.


A high speed train is a "showcase" to have, but is not necessarily

needed if the country has no money to finance it.


The burden of debts can make the country poorer.

This may even turn the people in the country into even more hardships.





wrote in message news:707137e1-3673-4468-b049-***@googlegroups.com...

CECB thought tat this HSR train line will be the same as our own homegrown
MRT line..transporting million passengers daily..

When I was at TBS ( KL bus interchange) early morning..I saw the KLIA
express train passing thru..the whole train only carry abt two to three
passengers to the airport.. Like tat how to make money?
b***@gmail.com
2018-05-18 22:02:14 UTC
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I believe their newly launched MRT line frm kajang to town) is losing money every day.
The_Inquirer
2018-05-19 17:00:10 UTC
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Post by stoney
Malaysia is a big country, and most people need cars and vans
and motorcycles to reach their homes and places, where trains
and main buses are not able to reach them conveniently.
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very good points! you win 100 stars.

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b***@gmail.com
2018-05-20 06:31:52 UTC
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Malaysid cars are abt 70% cheaper than SG cars...their average condos (/outskirts) prices at abt 80% cheaper..their normal street food abt 50% cheaper...sg crazy pisang goreng selling $1 per piece..Malaysia roadside pisang goreng selling 6 PCs for RM 2 ( sg$.60ยข)..but each PCs comes as half pisang..SG side is one whole pisang..
The well to do Malaysian families usually drive to their beach resort or to Genting to spend their weekend ..comparing SG well to do families spending time over at their private club or fly over to neighbouring countries for short weekend holiday..cos SG got not much places to offer.. Can't be all the time at their private club every weekend wat..
Lesbian Azalina..the former cabinet minister under Nazi lemak time..just a cabinet minister..she owned abt 20 cars..costing abt rm2 million..claimed by critics..
Been staying in Malaysia for quite sometime..I do envy the lifestyle of the average n above Malaysian..cos in SG Avery Sg families can't compare with the Malaysian counterpart..

Wats Swiss standard SG is having?
The_Inquirer
2018-05-20 13:55:37 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Wats Swiss standard SG is having?
is it like Swiss cheese, full of holes?


who said it? it is Boh Tong Chok (no action)?
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