Nowadays, no mentioning of 'swiss standard' by...

[yansimon52]

In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.

Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...

What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???

He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!

How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....

What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...

Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...

Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...

Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

[lobert lo]

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

They deviated from the original purpose of CPF for old age
and make the people to buy the overprice HDB flat,
encourage the people to gamble with their CPF in stock market,
make the people to pay their medical bill with CPF.

who benefited from all these deviation?

[truth]

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

However in Harry's opinion they are the best and worth every cents
that they get. He just said the sars episode proved that the current
bunch of mediocres have passed his test.

This senile old man must be talking cock or his standard has gone down
to that of third world like Bangladesh.

[Schneider]

LHL did say something. He wanted SINKaPOORean to work until they drop DEAD!

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

[Observer]

Post by Schneider
LHL did say something. He wanted SINKaPOORean to work until they drop DEAD!

Wrong.
Its called "extending the retirement age"
lar....
You must know how the phrase thing correctly.
LOL.

Post by Schneider

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.

[ardeedee]

Singaporeans are working at 3rd world rates for them to enjoy Swiss
standards of living - and there are always the FTs to work in their stead?

Post by Observer

Post by Schneider
LHL did say something. He wanted SINKaPOORean to work until they drop DEAD!

Wrong.
Its called "extending the retirement age"
lar....
You must know how the phrase thing correctly.
LOL.

Post by Schneider

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.

[lobert lo]

GCT wass the one who talk about Swiss standard, go after him for
your Swiss standard.
He was also the one who talk about 2010 world cup.
He has done nothing for the 14 years when he was PM.

Post by ardeedee
Singaporeans are working at 3rd world rates for them to enjoy Swiss
standards of living - and there are always the FTs to work in their stead?

Post by Observer

Post by Schneider
LHL did say something. He wanted SINKaPOORean to work until they drop DEAD!

Wrong.
Its called "extending the retirement age"
lar....
You must know how the phrase thing correctly.
LOL.

Post by Schneider

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.

[ardeedee]

Of course the Lee family knows but how can LHL take over and shine
otherwise?

Post by lobert lo
GCT wass the one who talk about Swiss standard, go after him for
your Swiss standard.
He was also the one who talk about 2010 world cup.
He has done nothing for the 14 years when he was PM.

Post by ardeedee
Singaporeans are working at 3rd world rates for them to enjoy Swiss
standards of living - and there are always the FTs to work in their stead?

Post by Observer

Post by Schneider
LHL did say something. He wanted SINKaPOORean to work until they drop DEAD!

Wrong.
Its called "extending the retirement age"
lar....
You must know how the phrase thing correctly.
LOL.

Post by Schneider

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.

[joen]

Post by lobert lo
He has done nothing for the 14 years when he was PM.

He did talk a lot.

He needed to say things that his boss like to hear in order to keep his job,
never mind if it is being carried out. That's not his problem as he would
have retired by then.

[Missing Link]

Is it that Singaporeans are already well above and beyond Swiss standard?

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

[Observer]

Post by Missing Link
Is it that Singaporeans are already well above and beyond Swiss standard?

Yes.
Suicide is one of the indicators that
we have reached it...
LOL.

Post by Missing Link

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.

[ardeedee]

No because those that are members of the ruling classes are already beyond
such standards.

Post by Missing Link
Is it that Singaporeans are already well above and beyond Swiss standard?

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

[Tweety]

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:33:06 +0800, "ardeedee" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

... and the lies, lies and more lie, ppl really believes them, voted for them
repeatedly. Not only they believe the lies, they "humtam" and laugh at the
oppositions. Whom do you blame?

Do you really think you can change the entrenched one party/family system?
I strongly disagree with MADCOW you or anyone who think they can
change. The party/family have too much to loose, will fight tooth and nail to
retain the control that benefit them.

Get that into your thick skull, you cannot change the system. Learns to live
with it or get the hell out of Sinkapore. Don't be a hero, look at brilliant
lawyer Francis Seow, stubborn bulldog JB, brilliant tactician Devan Nair. With
more than 45% brain dead Singaporeans, You loose before can start.

Get a life, enjoy life elsewhere for yourself and children elsewhere. If you
cannot or unable to get out, my best advice is jump down your leased pigeon
hole.

I paste an old posting which I really enjoyed reading and I hope you agree with
me too.

From: ***@yahoo.com (John A. Tessensohn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Sayonara SINTERCOM
Date: 29 Aug 2001 02:58:51 -0700
NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2001 09:58:52 GMT

As an active participant in this non-partisan cyberspace platform, I
come not to praise SINTERCOM but to bury it.

The heady days of the birth of SINTERCOM where like-minded
Singaporeans wanted a pure grassroots, non-partisan cyberspace
platform for the exchange and exposition of ideas and solutions are
still fresh in my mind.

An ideal vehicle and medium was the Internet where Singaporean readers
and Singaporean contributors from diverse landscapes of Japanese
castles or the Canadian Rockies could exchange & engage views about
the land of their birth & the land that they love.

The flowering & withering of SINTERCOM is Singapore's cyberspace
equivalent of Czechoslovakia's 1968 Prague Spring. Like that brief
period, Singaporeans could breathe & speak free on the Internet.
Although there were no SAF tanks that crushed SINTERCOM's computer
servers or ISD agents ripping out the telephone lines, the SBA
regulations were a less bloody, but equally effective, weapon.

The SBA regulations were always there but I guess that all of us were
in a suspended state of denial and the Singapore government has
decided to wake us to the reality of the rule of law.

Nevertheless, it is useful to consider the following in the context of
the shutting down of SINTERCOM:

You still have powers of monopoly, you still have powers of legal
violence over your own citizens. You can do nasty things to them. You
can make life miserable for them. You can hound them for taxes and so
on. But eventually the smart ones will say, "Why must I put up with
all this hassle? I can be just as comfortable in Hong Kong as I am in
New York or Sydney." Governments are being forced by external
competitive pressure to change and reform.

George Yeo, quoted in REMADE IN AMERICA, Jim Rohwer, 2001 pp 350,
Crown Business

It appears the obsequious fawning foreign media coverage about how the
Singapore government is re-inventing itself and engaging in creative
destruction are all puff pieces of propaganda. It is difficult not to
arrive to the conclusion that the message makers of S'pore Inc. are
merely carving up carefully calculated cant to assuage foreign fund
managers that Singapore is lightening up but the grim reality of
SINTERCOM's adieu is more demonstrative of the truth.

The Singapore government may talk the right talk, but it is definitely
not walking the walk. Outright oppression with an internal security
apparatus with unaccountable detention without trial is fine for
controlling the teeming masses. Bureaucratic doublespeak is a
necessary evil in the business of government.

But raising Everest-like expectations while dragooning those who are
contributing to that expedition through the unnecessary & unjustified
regulations, like the SBA ones which torpedoed SINTERCOM, is downright
counter-productive and hypocritical.

Forgive my outrage, but as an active participant in this non-partisan
cyberspace platform, I come not to praise SINTERCOM but to bury it.

In my published letter in the August 16, 1999 edition of TIME, I had
already predicted that in spite of the PAP government's slivers of
liberalization, there were still "stark Stalinist tools available to
the PAP government for repressing the arts or just plain old
Singaporeans".

The SBA Regulations that shut down SINTERCOM as Stalinist as get.
Given the track record of the PAP government to take no prisoners
against those who flout the law, as a lawyer, even I would have little
choice but to advised SINTERCOM's webmaster to shut down the website
in view of the possible legal exposure.

The outrage is not the fact that SINTERCOM had shut down but rather
the heavy ham-handed haranguing by the SBA against SINTERCOM. This is
emblematic of the "hassle" that Minister George Yeo was speaking about
in the aforesaid extract. Perhaps, just as the Czechs had to wait for
20 years after the 1968 Prague Spring to exorcise its Communist
dictatorship with the 1989 Velvet Revolution, Singaporeans would have
to wait.

The demise of SINTERCOM will reinforce the message to overseas
Singaporeans to remain comfortably in Hong Kong or New York because
there isn't even any comfort in cyberspace, let alone Singapore terra
firma.

John A. Tessensohn
Osaka, Japan

[lobert lo]

Post by Tweety
... and the lies, lies and more lie, ppl really believes them, voted for them
repeatedly. Not only they believe the lies, they "humtam" and laugh at the
oppositions. Whom do you blame?
Do you really think you can change the entrenched one party/family system?
I strongly disagree with MADCOW you or anyone who think they can
change. The party/family have too much to loose, will fight tooth and nail to
retain the control that benefit them.
Get that into your thick skull, you cannot change the system. Learns to live
with it or get the hell out of Sinkapore.

and if not, jump down from your leased pigeon hole.

[joen]

Post by lobert lo
and if not, jump down from your leased pigeon hole.

ARe there any NTUC training course on this?

[Tweety]

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:18:01 -0800, "joen" <***@anywhere.com> wrote:

Don't have lah, you watch him jump and you follow mah!

Post by joen

Post by lobert lo
and if not, jump down from your leased pigeon hole.

ARe there any NTUC training course on this?

[Tweety]

Post by lobert lo
and if not, jump down from your leased pigeon hole.

Come doogy, you can lick my arse, you are learning fast.

[ardeedee]

Tell him to clean his tongue with Dettol first - his tongue is clammy and
septic.

Post by Tweety

Post by lobert lo
and if not, jump down from your leased pigeon hole.

Come doogy, you can lick my arse, you are learning fast.

[lobert lo]

arsedeedee and tweety

don't have to tell everyone here how you two have been doing
LOL!

Post by ardeedee
Tell him to clean his tongue with Dettol first - his tongue is clammy and
septic.

Post by Tweety

Post by lobert lo
and if not, jump down from your leased pigeon hole.

Come doogy, you can lick my arse, you are learning fast.

[joen]

Post by Tweety
The demise of SINTERCOM will reinforce the message to overseas
Singaporeans to remain comfortably in Hong Kong or New York because
there isn't even any comfort in cyberspace, let alone Singapore terra
firma.

I have personally experienced this. For overly criticising and condemning
the govt in this forum, they tracked me down and get my employers to issue
me a warning. I can fuck them now that I have changed job.

And beware, some of them are actually in this forum, hiding under wolf
skins.

[Observer]

Post by joen
I have personally experienced this. For overly criticising and condemning
the govt in this forum, they tracked me down and get my employers to issue
me a warning.

You sure or not....

Post by joen
And beware, some of them are actually in this forum, hiding under wolf
skins.

Cannot by arsedeedee....he's all arse right
up to his ears....LOL.

[ardeedee]

That is the PAP way - they try to destroy their enemies monetary wise
because they know once you are out of a job they can spike you from getting
any other in Singapore.

Post by joen

Post by Tweety
The demise of SINTERCOM will reinforce the message to overseas
Singaporeans to remain comfortably in Hong Kong or New York because
there isn't even any comfort in cyberspace, let alone Singapore terra
firma.

I have personally experienced this. For overly criticising and condemning
the govt in this forum, they tracked me down and get my employers to issue
me a warning. I can fuck them now that I have changed job.
And beware, some of them are actually in this forum, hiding under wolf
skins.

[Tweety]

Post by joen
I have personally experienced this. For overly criticising and condemning
the govt in this forum, they tracked me down and get my employers to issue
me a warning. I can fuck them now that I have changed job.
And beware, some of them are actually in this forum, hiding under wolf
skins.

....... and I am not at all surprise if every participants in this ng are under
surveillance. Further, I did not wrote "Sayonara SINTERCOM", it was written by
John A. Tessensohn, a Patent lawyer. Please read it again to understand the
meaning.......


From: ***@yahoo.com (John A. Tessensohn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Sayonara SINTERCOM
Date: 29 Aug 2001 02:58:51 -0700
NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2001 09:58:52 GMT

As an active participant in this non-partisan cyberspace platform, I
come not to praise SINTERCOM but to bury it.

The heady days of the birth of SINTERCOM where like-minded
Singaporeans wanted a pure grassroots, non-partisan cyberspace
platform for the exchange and exposition of ideas and solutions are
still fresh in my mind.

An ideal vehicle and medium was the Internet where Singaporean readers
and Singaporean contributors from diverse landscapes of Japanese
castles or the Canadian Rockies could exchange & engage views about
the land of their birth & the land that they love.

The flowering & withering of SINTERCOM is Singapore's cyberspace
equivalent of Czechoslovakia's 1968 Prague Spring. Like that brief
period, Singaporeans could breathe & speak free on the Internet.
Although there were no SAF tanks that crushed SINTERCOM's computer
servers or ISD agents ripping out the telephone lines, the SBA
regulations were a less bloody, but equally effective, weapon.

The SBA regulations were always there but I guess that all of us were
in a suspended state of denial and the Singapore government has
decided to wake us to the reality of the rule of law.

Nevertheless, it is useful to consider the following in the context of
the shutting down of SINTERCOM:

You still have powers of monopoly, you still have powers of legal
violence over your own citizens. You can do nasty things to them. You
can make life miserable for them. You can hound them for taxes and so
on. But eventually the smart ones will say, "Why must I put up with
all this hassle? I can be just as comfortable in Hong Kong as I am in
New York or Sydney." Governments are being forced by external
competitive pressure to change and reform.

George Yeo, quoted in REMADE IN AMERICA, Jim Rohwer, 2001 pp 350,
Crown Business

It appears the obsequious fawning foreign media coverage about how the
Singapore government is re-inventing itself and engaging in creative
destruction are all puff pieces of propaganda. It is difficult not to
arrive to the conclusion that the message makers of S'pore Inc. are
merely carving up carefully calculated cant to assuage foreign fund
managers that Singapore is lightening up but the grim reality of
SINTERCOM's adieu is more demonstrative of the truth.

The Singapore government may talk the right talk, but it is definitely
not walking the walk. Outright oppression with an internal security
apparatus with unaccountable detention without trial is fine for
controlling the teeming masses. Bureaucratic doublespeak is a
necessary evil in the business of government.

But raising Everest-like expectations while dragooning those who are
contributing to that expedition through the unnecessary & unjustified
regulations, like the SBA ones which torpedoed SINTERCOM, is downright
counter-productive and hypocritical.

Forgive my outrage, but as an active participant in this non-partisan
cyberspace platform, I come not to praise SINTERCOM but to bury it.

In my published letter in the August 16, 1999 edition of TIME, I had
already predicted that in spite of the PAP government's slivers of
liberalization, there were still "stark Stalinist tools available to
the PAP government for repressing the arts or just plain old
Singaporeans".

The SBA Regulations that shut down SINTERCOM as Stalinist as get.
Given the track record of the PAP government to take no prisoners
against those who flout the law, as a lawyer, even I would have little
choice but to advised SINTERCOM's webmaster to shut down the website
in view of the possible legal exposure.

The outrage is not the fact that SINTERCOM had shut down but rather
the heavy ham-handed haranguing by the SBA against SINTERCOM. This is
emblematic of the "hassle" that Minister George Yeo was speaking about
in the aforesaid extract. Perhaps, just as the Czechs had to wait for
20 years after the 1968 Prague Spring to exorcise its Communist
dictatorship with the 1989 Velvet Revolution, Singaporeans would have
to wait.

The demise of SINTERCOM will reinforce the message to overseas
Singaporeans to remain comfortably in Hong Kong or New York because
there isn't even any comfort in cyberspace, let alone Singapore terra
firma.

John A. Tessensohn
Osaka, Japan

[Missing Link]

What to do, a slave will always vote for the master.

Post by Tweety
... and the lies, lies and more lie, ppl really believes them, voted for them
repeatedly. Not only they believe the lies, they "humtam" and laugh at the
oppositions. Whom do you blame?
Do you really think you can change the entrenched one party/family system?
I strongly disagree with MADCOW you or anyone who think they can
change. The party/family have too much to loose, will fight tooth and nail to
retain the control that benefit them.
Get that into your thick skull, you cannot change the system. Learns to live
with it or get the hell out of Sinkapore. Don't be a hero, look at brilliant
lawyer Francis Seow, stubborn bulldog JB, brilliant tactician Devan Nair. With
more than 45% brain dead Singaporeans, You loose before can start.
Get a life, enjoy life elsewhere for yourself and children elsewhere. If you
cannot or unable to get out, my best advice is jump down your leased pigeon
hole.
I paste an old posting which I really enjoyed reading and I hope you agree with
me too.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Sayonara SINTERCOM
Date: 29 Aug 2001 02:58:51 -0700
NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2001 09:58:52 GMT
As an active participant in this non-partisan cyberspace platform, I
come not to praise SINTERCOM but to bury it.
The heady days of the birth of SINTERCOM where like-minded
Singaporeans wanted a pure grassroots, non-partisan cyberspace
platform for the exchange and exposition of ideas and solutions are
still fresh in my mind.
An ideal vehicle and medium was the Internet where Singaporean readers
and Singaporean contributors from diverse landscapes of Japanese
castles or the Canadian Rockies could exchange & engage views about
the land of their birth & the land that they love.
The flowering & withering of SINTERCOM is Singapore's cyberspace
equivalent of Czechoslovakia's 1968 Prague Spring. Like that brief
period, Singaporeans could breathe & speak free on the Internet.
Although there were no SAF tanks that crushed SINTERCOM's computer
servers or ISD agents ripping out the telephone lines, the SBA
regulations were a less bloody, but equally effective, weapon.
The SBA regulations were always there but I guess that all of us were
in a suspended state of denial and the Singapore government has
decided to wake us to the reality of the rule of law.
Nevertheless, it is useful to consider the following in the context of
You still have powers of monopoly, you still have powers of legal
violence over your own citizens. You can do nasty things to them. You
can make life miserable for them. You can hound them for taxes and so
on. But eventually the smart ones will say, "Why must I put up with
all this hassle? I can be just as comfortable in Hong Kong as I am in
New York or Sydney." Governments are being forced by external
competitive pressure to change and reform.
George Yeo, quoted in REMADE IN AMERICA, Jim Rohwer, 2001 pp 350,
Crown Business
It appears the obsequious fawning foreign media coverage about how the
Singapore government is re-inventing itself and engaging in creative
destruction are all puff pieces of propaganda. It is difficult not to
arrive to the conclusion that the message makers of S'pore Inc. are
merely carving up carefully calculated cant to assuage foreign fund
managers that Singapore is lightening up but the grim reality of
SINTERCOM's adieu is more demonstrative of the truth.
The Singapore government may talk the right talk, but it is definitely
not walking the walk. Outright oppression with an internal security
apparatus with unaccountable detention without trial is fine for
controlling the teeming masses. Bureaucratic doublespeak is a
necessary evil in the business of government.
But raising Everest-like expectations while dragooning those who are
contributing to that expedition through the unnecessary & unjustified
regulations, like the SBA ones which torpedoed SINTERCOM, is downright
counter-productive and hypocritical.
Forgive my outrage, but as an active participant in this non-partisan
cyberspace platform, I come not to praise SINTERCOM but to bury it.
In my published letter in the August 16, 1999 edition of TIME, I had
already predicted that in spite of the PAP government's slivers of
liberalization, there were still "stark Stalinist tools available to
the PAP government for repressing the arts or just plain old
Singaporeans".
The SBA Regulations that shut down SINTERCOM as Stalinist as get.
Given the track record of the PAP government to take no prisoners
against those who flout the law, as a lawyer, even I would have little
choice but to advised SINTERCOM's webmaster to shut down the website
in view of the possible legal exposure.
The outrage is not the fact that SINTERCOM had shut down but rather
the heavy ham-handed haranguing by the SBA against SINTERCOM. This is
emblematic of the "hassle" that Minister George Yeo was speaking about
in the aforesaid extract. Perhaps, just as the Czechs had to wait for
20 years after the 1968 Prague Spring to exorcise its Communist
dictatorship with the 1989 Velvet Revolution, Singaporeans would have
to wait.
The demise of SINTERCOM will reinforce the message to overseas
Singaporeans to remain comfortably in Hong Kong or New York because
there isn't even any comfort in cyberspace, let alone Singapore terra
firma.
John A. Tessensohn
Osaka, Japan

[Tweety]

Post by Missing Link
What to do, a slave will always vote for the master.

Smart dog, you too can lick my arse.

[lobert lo]

Post by Tweety

Post by Missing Link
What to do, a slave will always vote for the master.

Smart dog, you too can lick my arse.

ask arselicklick to do it.

[ardeedee]

But you claim to be the master licker of all - look at the PAP - all
ministeers acknowledge you as their master licker.

Post by lobert lo

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:46:23 +0800, "Missing Link"

Post by Missing Link
What to do, a slave will always vote for the master.

Smart dog, you too can lick my arse.

ask arselicklick to do it.

[lobert lo]

LOL

Post by ardeedee
But you claim to be the master licker of all - look at the PAP - all
ministeers acknowledge you as their master licker.

Post by lobert lo

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:46:23 +0800, "Missing Link"

Post by Missing Link
What to do, a slave will always vote for the master.

Smart dog, you too can lick my arse.

ask arselicklick to do it.

[demon]

he did achieve that objective, just that he didn't specify which singaporean

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society....

[Utama]

All singaporeans should know the real culprit is MBT who sucks up after
his unpopularity in the late 80s. His stincts include being 'hippest'
among other ministers and the younger generation. But wait till you run a
search on his political career since 25 yrs ago and you'll see why HDB is
one hot discussion topic.

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

[Dalai Baru]

Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

[ardeedee]

Top 5 percent yes.Overtaken.

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.

[AleXX]

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by yansimon52
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....

[Dalai Baru]

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Got china men providing acupuncture...in Unterlarken

[ardeedee]

It is firstly Interlaken and secondly most Singaporeans are already like
Swiss cheese full of holes and stink?
LOL.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Got china men providing acupuncture...in Unterlarken

[Dalai Baru]

Post by ardeedee
It is firstly Interlaken and secondly most Singaporeans are already like
Swiss cheese full of holes and stink?

Correction: Singaporean of serani sub species.....

Post by ardeedee
LOL.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Got china men providing acupuncture...in Unterlarken

[ardeedee]

Seranis can tell you how to spell Interlaken?
.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by ardeedee
It is firstly Interlaken and secondly most Singaporeans are already like
Swiss cheese full of holes and stink?

Correction: Singaporean of serani sub species.....

Post by ardeedee
LOL.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Got china men providing acupuncture...in Unterlarken

[Dalai Baru]

Firstly how many seranis know where is Interlaken, much less been
there.
Secondly hardly any serani knows of Unterlaken, a small town of some
500 pple in Der Schweiz!!!

Post by ardeedee
Seranis can tell you how to spell Interlaken?
.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by ardeedee
It is firstly Interlaken and secondly most Singaporeans are already like
Swiss cheese full of holes and stink?

Correction: Singaporean of serani sub species.....

Post by ardeedee
LOL.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Got china men providing acupuncture...in Unterlarken

[ardeedee]

I have been a few times to Interlaken - with my family also - and we spnd
the time walking around in summer and boating and eating fondue in the
restaurant by the park - about 2 hours by train from Zurich. Jura mountain
nearby?
You can also do skyjumping from the mountain.
Intelaken means between two lakes.

By the way in my yourh I had a Swiss girlfriend and she lived in Interlaken
and that is how I like the place.Eat your heart out.

Unterlaken is not well known and not a toursit destination.

Post by Dalai Baru
Firstly how many seranis know where is Interlaken, much less been
there.
Secondly hardly any serani knows of Unterlaken, a small town of some
500 pple in Der Schweiz!!!

Post by ardeedee
Seranis can tell you how to spell Interlaken?
.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by ardeedee
It is firstly Interlaken and secondly most Singaporeans are already like
Swiss cheese full of holes and stink?

Correction: Singaporean of serani sub species.....

Post by ardeedee
LOL.

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Got china men providing acupuncture...in Unterlarken

[The Bishop]

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Yes definitely....today's walkabout diagram on Chinatown's activities
showed an "ang moh selling German sausages" in Chinatown.....there is
no Chinaman selling 'lap cheong' in Zurich.....

Got china men providing acupuncture...in Unterlarken

If you stick needles into a sasuage, the bugger will pass out .....:))

[The Bishop]

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Too much touting of the Swiss standard, US not happy, and got them all
to shut up ........

[Dalai Baru]

Post by The Bishop

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Too much touting of the Swiss standard, US not happy, and got them all
to shut up ........

Why we surpassed USA (Chicago slums..) many ears ago!!

[ardeedee]

Also surpassed the ghettos ?

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by The Bishop

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Too much touting of the Swiss standard, US not happy, and got them all
to shut up ........

Why we surpassed USA (Chicago slums..) many ears ago!!

[AleXX]

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by The Bishop

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Too much touting of the Swiss standard, US not happy, and got them all
to shut up ........

Why we surpassed USA (Chicago slums..) many ears ago!!

Good idea to send some of those who want total free speech & total
freedom to live in Harlem for one month.....and see how they like it
there....

[The Bishop]

Post by AleXX

Post by Dalai Baru

Post by The Bishop

Post by Dalai Baru
Is it possible that we have overtaken the Swiss???

Too much touting of the Swiss standard, US not happy, and got them all
to shut up ........

Why we surpassed USA (Chicago slums..) many ears ago!!

Good idea to send some of those who want total free speech & total
freedom to live in Harlem for one month.....and see how they like it
there....

There will be a sudden reduction of crap postings in scs ...... LOL

[Tweety]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:32:38 +0800, AleXX <***@bigdeal.com> wrote:

Total freedom mean a person can choose anywhere or any City, and why Harlem?

Post by AleXX
Good idea to send some of those who want total free speech & total
freedom to live in Harlem for one month.....and see how they like it
there....

[The Bishop]

Post by Tweety
Total freedom mean a person can choose anywhere or any City, and why Harlem?

Post by AleXX
Good idea to send some of those who want total free speech & total
freedom to live in Harlem for one month.....and see how they like it
there....

To give you the option to realise your fool-potential .......

[Tweety]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:07:37 +0800, The Bishop <***@spice.com> wrote:

You choose Down Under, are you not a fool too?

Post by The Bishop

Post by Tweety
Total freedom mean a person can choose anywhere or any City, and why Harlem?

Post by AleXX
Good idea to send some of those who want total free speech & total
freedom to live in Harlem for one month.....and see how they like it
there....

To give you the option to realise your fool-potential .......

[Tweety]

On 4 Feb 2005 20:32:00 -0800, ***@hotmail.com (yansimon52) wrote:

We o'ready pass the Swiss standard and heading for the utopia society.

Post by yansimon52
In GCT early term as PM, under his charge he hope to bring 'swiss
standard' to singaporean's society.... unfortunately, it turns out
otherwise, everyday, desperate poors are jumping from their flat
mostly, due to 'a sky without a sun' situation.
Usually, most swiss who committed sucide were due to cases of 'love'
going foul and not on money matter.
Overhere, singaporean that committed sucide were mostly, due to money
matter ie. PUB cut-off electric power and water, bankruptcy or 'ah
long' going after them.
Maybe, GCT was talking about a different swiss standard for
singapore...
What happen to the newly installed PM LHL???
He is not even talking about 'swiss standard' anymore!!!!!
How can he talk about swiss standard where, most PAP's policies were
all dud policies ie...the Public Housing Policy, HDB.. that 'con' most
unfortunate flat dwellers into negative saving in their CPF fund for
old age....
What to do if, a public policy that by nature of going against the
'Laws Of Nature' who suffer? Of course, its the people that suffer..
a brick walled pigeon hole where, its actual cost is only about
$40,000 to $50,000(on a 5 room flat) and they (HDB) are selling at
$200,000 plus to desperate singaporean who got no choice, needless to
say, somebody got to pay for it.....and that lead to some whereby,
selling their flat at a huge loss...
Hey, singaporean don't need 'a million dollar minister' to come up
with this sort of scam, to go after singapore's hard saving money (for
old age) 'man...
Worst still, these million ministers could come up with riduculous a
new policy, the revived home loan policy by involving with private
bank for public housing's loan... This going against the 'Laws Of
Nature' policy has lead to some families 'homeless'...
Our millionaire Housing minister is really 'something', he should be a
PM soon.