Discussion:
PAP is greatest failure.
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Goh Bak Chov
2004-01-01 16:18:08 UTC
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The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.

The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.

The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
Tweety
2004-01-01 17:52:58 UTC
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On 1 Jan 2004 08:18:08 -0800, ***@yahoo.com (Goh Bak Chov) wrote:

If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you going to
do about it?

Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after election
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle again, whine
and bitch here, like me a broken records.

Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.

Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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DGPSC
2004-01-02 00:47:12 UTC
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Mr. Tweety:
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole of
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from the
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture that
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you going to
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after election
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle again, whine
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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Tweety
2004-01-02 02:53:58 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:47:12 -0800, "DGPSC" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

How interesting the PAPy org screwed up and you are saying the PAPY
leadership need to remedy the screwed up, itiz?

What I am deeply puzzle is why did more than 70% voted for the PAP at polling
day and 100% of the time everything goes up after the GE. And again everyone
will whine and bitch This cycle repeating again and again for more than 40
L O N G Y E A R S!

Look, the rich aren't going to worry, they may lose a few million loose change
after that they just move elsewhere. Or the smart ones migrate or go elsewhere
to make a living. It's the poor and innocent which suffer. While the dummies
continue to whine and bitch.

Let me ask you a question, If you got screw once too often, you get smart and
make sure it will NEVER happen again, right?

What if you got screwed and you keep on going back for more, am I correct to say
you are really stupid? It'z something wrong with my LOGIC, or maybe I the ONLY
DUMMY here?

Tweety
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole of
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from the
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture that
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after election
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle again,
whine
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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DGPSC
2004-01-02 03:33:17 UTC
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Some may have said the PAPy org screwed up many times again and again....
What I am saying now is that the PAPy org screwed up THIS TIME and BIG TIME!
It is no longer a small change screw-up, but one that they now cannot
resolve. Meanwhile, it is business as usual for PAPy org with threats and
sweeteners b4 election time - the two ingredients that create fear,
cohersion and apprehension. Along with this the run of day ridiculing of
anyone who speaks up against PAPy policies is no help.

True, that why many people are starting to think about migrating away from
their homeland SINapore. Yet our PAPy mini-sters do not see it that way and
continue to justifies irky policies against public will.

I will agree with you that more people should vote against the PAPy org. But
there is really no choice since the constant ridicule, cohersion,
intimidation, and legal bankrupcy process as choiced weapons against
dissident voices have already dampened any interest of general populace to
consider any political career. Anyways, baby boomers who are well-off took
the route of leaving SINapore, while others who stayed are mostly brought up
in a system that promises status-quo to absolute compliance.
Post by Tweety
How interesting the PAPy org screwed up and you are saying the PAPY
leadership need to remedy the screwed up, itiz?
What I am deeply puzzle is why did more than 70% voted for the PAP at polling
day and 100% of the time everything goes up after the GE. And again everyone
will whine and bitch This cycle repeating again and again for more than 40
L O N G Y E A R S!
Look, the rich aren't going to worry, they may lose a few million loose change
after that they just move elsewhere. Or the smart ones migrate or go elsewhere
to make a living. It's the poor and innocent which suffer. While the dummies
continue to whine and bitch.
Let me ask you a question, If you got screw once too often, you get smart and
make sure it will NEVER happen again, right?
What if you got screwed and you keep on going back for more, am I correct to say
you are really stupid? It'z something wrong with my LOGIC, or maybe I the ONLY
DUMMY here?
Tweety
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole of
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from the
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture that
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after election
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle again,
whine
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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Bad boy
2004-01-02 16:44:45 UTC
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The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.

Yes.. there are big talks about the jobless.....5%
are without job or retrenched... the rest have jobs
or business.

Yes... there are big talks about property markets
....over 85 % own their homes....only property
speculators got burnt

Yes... there are big talks about million dollar salary
of ministers....Many hawkers and coffee-shop owners
are making millions in a year and they drive new
Benz every year.

Yes...there are big talks about free speech, human
rights.....
Singaporean don't care about politics....they care
more about the 5 Cs....They do not care if politicians
got sued for slanders and making wild accusations.
Secretly they do not like such trouble makers... Such
people are bad for business, (see what happened in
Indonesia.)

Singaporeans are NOT stupid.

Your logic and your perception are flawed.
Something to do with bird brain.

Bad boy
Post by Tweety
How interesting the PAPy org screwed up and you are saying the PAPY
leadership need to remedy the screwed up, itiz?
What I am deeply puzzle is why did more than 70% voted for the PAP at polling
day and 100% of the time everything goes up after the GE. And again everyone
will whine and bitch This cycle repeating again and again for more than 40
L O N G Y E A R S!
Look, the rich aren't going to worry, they may lose a few million loose change
after that they just move elsewhere. Or the smart ones migrate or go elsewhere
to make a living. It's the poor and innocent which suffer. While the dummies
continue to whine and bitch.
Let me ask you a question, If you got screw once too often, you get smart and
make sure it will NEVER happen again, right?
What if you got screwed and you keep on going back for more, am I correct to say
you are really stupid? It'z something wrong with my LOGIC, or maybe I the ONLY
DUMMY here?
Tweety
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole of
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from the
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture that
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after election
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle again,
whine
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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XiaoMei
2004-01-02 17:47:15 UTC
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I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.

We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
DGPSC
2004-01-03 01:59:48 UTC
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If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency boundaries, if
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the voters...
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding mandate"??

How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org is in
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election, just
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you PAPy
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than dirty
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Rex Williams
2004-01-03 01:55:39 UTC
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Ah yah! Give it to them lah, at least it's a wee bit more honest than
Mugabe's. Like honest lies, you know!
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency boundaries, if
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the voters...
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding mandate"??
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org is in
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election, just
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you PAPy
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than dirty
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-03 05:13:19 UTC
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If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.

The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.

Bad boy.

--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency boundaries, if
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the voters...
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding mandate"??
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org is in
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election, just
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you PAPy
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than dirty
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
XiaoMei
2004-01-02 22:27:26 UTC
Permalink
Why of course, it's elementary! I'm sure you got those Opposition Trolls
slapping their own foreheads now.
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
ardeedee
2004-01-03 05:30:16 UTC
Permalink
You speak for yourself on in a vacuum?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding mandate"??
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org is in
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election,
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you PAPy
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-03 10:16:09 UTC
Permalink
Politicians who refuse to see the truth will
continue to lose elections.
They blame PAP, blame the voters for being
submissive, blame other opposition for
scandals, blame unfair election tactics, blame
their luck, blame the judge.......all mere excuses
for their lack of wisdom to see the truth.

Can the opposition party give Singaporeans
a better deal, a decent or better life ?

If they can demonstrate they are able to do so,
PAP leaders will have sleepless nights.

Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
You speak for yourself on in a vacuum?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding mandate"??
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org
is
Post by ardeedee
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election,
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you PAPy
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it.
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
ardeedee
2004-01-03 13:11:41 UTC
Permalink
Is the PAP indispensable to Singapore for now and forever?
Do other countries have PAP?
Post by Bad boy
Politicians who refuse to see the truth will
continue to lose elections.
They blame PAP, blame the voters for being
submissive, blame other opposition for
scandals, blame unfair election tactics, blame
their luck, blame the judge.......all mere excuses
for their lack of wisdom to see the truth.
Can the opposition party give Singaporeans
a better deal, a decent or better life ?
If they can demonstrate they are able to do so,
PAP leaders will have sleepless nights.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
You speak for yourself on in a vacuum?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org
is
Post by ardeedee
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election,
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you
PAPy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it.
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-04 01:11:26 UTC
Permalink
From the voters point of view, PAP is the best bet
to continually give them a decent life. Or else, they
would have kicked the PAP out of office long ago.

Until others can demonstrate they could do better
than PAP, there is no alternative for the voters.

The voters had given a chance to a few non PAP
MPs. They have not demonstrated they could do
better. In fact their dismay performance in parliament
and in their wards only serve to prove that they
did not have the ability to out do PAP.

Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
Is the PAP indispensable to Singapore for now and forever?
Do other countries have PAP?
Post by Bad boy
Politicians who refuse to see the truth will
continue to lose elections.
They blame PAP, blame the voters for being
submissive, blame other opposition for
scandals, blame unfair election tactics, blame
their luck, blame the judge.......all mere excuses
for their lack of wisdom to see the truth.
Can the opposition party give Singaporeans
a better deal, a decent or better life ?
If they can demonstrate they are able to do so,
PAP leaders will have sleepless nights.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
You speak for yourself on in a vacuum?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org
is
Post by ardeedee
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you
PAPy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
MADCOW
2004-01-04 03:40:12 UTC
Permalink
Well, first of all, you must really define how alternative parties could
"show" that they could "do better" than PAP if they are not even given a
chance at all?

If you refer to running Town Councils, I think both alternatvie parties'
Town Councils are above average....that could do?

MADCOW
Post by Bad boy
From the voters point of view, PAP is the best bet
to continually give them a decent life. Or else, they
would have kicked the PAP out of office long ago.
Until others can demonstrate they could do better
than PAP, there is no alternative for the voters.
The voters had given a chance to a few non PAP
MPs. They have not demonstrated they could do
better. In fact their dismay performance in parliament
and in their wards only serve to prove that they
did not have the ability to out do PAP.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
Is the PAP indispensable to Singapore for now and forever?
Do other countries have PAP?
Post by Bad boy
Politicians who refuse to see the truth will
continue to lose elections.
They blame PAP, blame the voters for being
submissive, blame other opposition for
scandals, blame unfair election tactics, blame
their luck, blame the judge.......all mere excuses
for their lack of wisdom to see the truth.
Can the opposition party give Singaporeans
a better deal, a decent or better life ?
If they can demonstrate they are able to do so,
PAP leaders will have sleepless nights.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
You speak for yourself on in a vacuum?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by ardeedee
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
ardeedee
2004-01-04 07:03:16 UTC
Permalink
You think the GRC election of Cheng San with TLH and JBJ the big guns of
opposition could not muster a win despite the big crowd overflowing at each
turnout was just a sham?
Post by MADCOW
Well, first of all, you must really define how alternative parties could
"show" that they could "do better" than PAP if they are not even given a
chance at all?
If you refer to running Town Councils, I think both alternatvie parties'
Town Councils are above average....that could do?
MADCOW
Post by Bad boy
From the voters point of view, PAP is the best bet
to continually give them a decent life. Or else, they
would have kicked the PAP out of office long ago.
Until others can demonstrate they could do better
than PAP, there is no alternative for the voters.
The voters had given a chance to a few non PAP
MPs. They have not demonstrated they could do
better. In fact their dismay performance in parliament
and in their wards only serve to prove that they
did not have the ability to out do PAP.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
Is the PAP indispensable to Singapore for now and forever?
Do other countries have PAP?
Post by Bad boy
Politicians who refuse to see the truth will
continue to lose elections.
They blame PAP, blame the voters for being
submissive, blame other opposition for
scandals, blame unfair election tactics, blame
their luck, blame the judge.......all mere excuses
for their lack of wisdom to see the truth.
Can the opposition party give Singaporeans
a better deal, a decent or better life ?
If they can demonstrate they are able to do so,
PAP leaders will have sleepless nights.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
You speak for yourself on in a vacuum?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten
the
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by ardeedee
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we
lose
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-04 14:41:50 UTC
Permalink
Are the MPs' performance in Parliament
better than PAP's MP ?

Never given a chance?
They had all the chances whenever a bill
was introduced. No...they were inept. They
were lost on how to oppose a bill. None of
them could perform as well as Tan Soo Khoon
(a PAP MP) in opposing bills.

They have no idea at all, in organising and
mobilising the voters at grass root level. PAP
have grass root committees in every HDB block
and regularly organise social functions to involve
and to win over the voters.
These committees serve as the eyes and ears
of PAP. The committee members become friends
of the voters and won the votes for PAP way
before election day.
One see the representatives of the Opposition
at HDB flats only at election time. Most were
strangers to the voters. They were like unwelcome
door-to-door salesmen to the voters.

Bad boy.
Post by MADCOW
Well, first of all, you must really define how alternative parties could
"show" that they could "do better" than PAP if they are not even given a
chance at all?
If you refer to running Town Councils, I think both alternatvie parties'
Town Councils are above average....that could do?
MADCOW
Post by Bad boy
From the voters point of view, PAP is the best bet
to continually give them a decent life. Or else, they
would have kicked the PAP out of office long ago.
Until others can demonstrate they could do better
than PAP, there is no alternative for the voters.
The voters had given a chance to a few non PAP
MPs. They have not demonstrated they could do
better. In fact their dismay performance in parliament
and in their wards only serve to prove that they
did not have the ability to out do PAP.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
Is the PAP indispensable to Singapore for now and forever?
Do other countries have PAP?
Post by Bad boy
Politicians who refuse to see the truth will
continue to lose elections.
They blame PAP, blame the voters for being
submissive, blame other opposition for
scandals, blame unfair election tactics, blame
their luck, blame the judge.......all mere excuses
for their lack of wisdom to see the truth.
Can the opposition party give Singaporeans
a better deal, a decent or better life ?
If they can demonstrate they are able to do so,
PAP leaders will have sleepless nights.
Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
You speak for yourself on in a vacuum?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten
the
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by ardeedee
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we
lose
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by ardeedee
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
truth
2004-01-03 12:16:15 UTC
Permalink
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding mandate"??
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org is in
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election,
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you PAPy
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-04 01:18:15 UTC
Permalink
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.

Bad boy.
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours. Over 80% are home
owners, they have 3 square meals a day,
their children are educated, 90% have jobs
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year, 90% have good
medical care, many have PCs, TV and handphones,
many own cars or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses, over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes, Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......

Singaporeans and others are able to condemn the
government in the SG without fear, people are free to
use the speaker's corner.....

Yes, its economy is not growing, the property
and share prices are down, and 5% of the people are
jobless.

This is beyond salvage??!! Come, come, let's not
fool ourselves and be misled.

It is you who is beyond salvage.

Bad boy.
Post by DGPSC
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding mandate"??
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org
is
Post by DGPSC
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election,
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you PAPy
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it.
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
truth
2004-01-04 16:54:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of job
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the population
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid inflicting
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every election,
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more than
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it.
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-05 05:36:28 UTC
Permalink
"Happy life".....do you have a definition of
"happy life"?

My dog lead a happier life than most Singaporean.

Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of job
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the population
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid inflicting
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
ardeedee
2004-01-05 11:32:58 UTC
Permalink
He fucks you?
Post by Bad boy
"Happy life".....do you have a definition of
"happy life"?
My dog lead a happier life than most Singaporean.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid inflicting
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
news.new
2004-01-05 12:39:36 UTC
Permalink
How do you know. Unless you speak dog language !
Post by Bad boy
"Happy life".....do you have a definition of
"happy life"?
My dog lead a happier life than most Singaporean.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid inflicting
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-07 10:40:47 UTC
Permalink
He wags his tail like some in this sg.

Bad boy.
Post by news.new
How do you know. Unless you speak dog language !
Post by Bad boy
"Happy life".....do you have a definition of
"happy life"?
My dog lead a happier life than most Singaporean.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid
inflicting
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten
the
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we
lose
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
truth
2004-01-06 07:27:23 UTC
Permalink
Ha ! That means you have not experience it
yet which is why you don't know what it is
like. Maybe you it sometime but not long
enough to be aware of.
You may be right that dog live happier
life than human being. They have no worries.
So for you I will share my wonderful experience
of Happiness.

- feel good about yourself.
- feel good with the people around you
- feel no stress
- only see positive things around you.
- have no worries
- heart at ease and kind with compassion for others
- seldom get angry
- deep dreamless sleep
- satisfaction in everything you do

Hope this helps. Happiness is for everyone.
Post by Bad boy
"Happy life".....do you have a definition of
"happy life"?
My dog lead a happier life than most Singaporean.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid inflicting
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-07 10:55:36 UTC
Permalink
Your happiness is not the same
as happiness of others.

Some will be happy if they had repeated
orgasm every night
Some will be happy if they strike 4 Ds every week
Some will be happy if their soccer wins
Some will be happy if they meet their girl friends
Terrorists will be happy if the suicide bomb innocent
Some will be happy if they succeed in flaming others in
this sg
Some will be happy if they drink day and night
Some will be happy if they pass their exams
Some will be happy if their mother don't nag them
Some will be happy if their mother in law kick
the bucket
some will be happy if they found a job
Some will be happy if PAP lost the election
I will be happy if all Islamic terrorists suddenly
disappear from the world, go to see Allah tonight.

My point in my previous posting was Singaporean
have decent life, not happy life.

Bad boy.
Post by truth
Ha ! That means you have not experience it
yet which is why you don't know what it is
like. Maybe you it sometime but not long
enough to be aware of.
You may be right that dog live happier
life than human being. They have no worries.
So for you I will share my wonderful experience
of Happiness.
- feel good about yourself.
- feel good with the people around you
- feel no stress
- only see positive things around you.
- have no worries
- heart at ease and kind with compassion for others
- seldom get angry
- deep dreamless sleep
- satisfaction in everything you do
Hope this helps. Happiness is for everyone.
Post by Bad boy
"Happy life".....do you have a definition of
"happy life"?
My dog lead a happier life than most Singaporean.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid
inflicting
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten
the
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we
lose
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
truth
2004-01-09 12:56:34 UTC
Permalink
Sure people are happy for different reasons.

So your contention is that decent life is not the same as happy life.

You are Wrong.

A decent life is not a happy life
But a happy life is a decent life plus that something extra.
Put another way : A happy life is a higher level of life than a decent life.
So you see a happy life is even better than a decent life.
Happiness usualy comes about after you stomach is full and you have no
worries - a state you call a decent life -and you have some extra money to
spend to buy yourself something you always dream of having like going on a
holiday. This different level of life is usually refer to as Maslow Heirachy
of needs. Any basic human psychology book will illustrate this principle.
I think we can end this thread here.
Unless of course you like to continue and I will be happy to do so.

truth.
Post by Bad boy
Your happiness is not the same
as happiness of others.
Some will be happy if they had repeated
orgasm every night
Some will be happy if they strike 4 Ds every week
Some will be happy if their soccer wins
Some will be happy if they meet their girl friends
Terrorists will be happy if the suicide bomb innocent
Some will be happy if they succeed in flaming others in
this sg
Some will be happy if they drink day and night
Some will be happy if they pass their exams
Some will be happy if their mother don't nag them
Some will be happy if their mother in law kick
the bucket
some will be happy if they found a job
Some will be happy if PAP lost the election
I will be happy if all Islamic terrorists suddenly
disappear from the world, go to see Allah tonight.
My point in my previous posting was Singaporean
have decent life, not happy life.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Ha ! That means you have not experience it
yet which is why you don't know what it is
like. Maybe you it sometime but not long
enough to be aware of.
You may be right that dog live happier
life than human being. They have no worries.
So for you I will share my wonderful experience
of Happiness.
- feel good about yourself.
- feel good with the people around you
- feel no stress
- only see positive things around you.
- have no worries
- heart at ease and kind with compassion for others
- seldom get angry
- deep dreamless sleep
- satisfaction in everything you do
Hope this helps. Happiness is for everyone.
Post by Bad boy
"Happy life".....do you have a definition of
"happy life"?
My dog lead a happier life than most Singaporean.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are
out
Post by Bad boy
of
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this
situation.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy
COE -
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to
feed
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid
inflicting
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten
the
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good
strategy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what
our
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by
hate
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we
lose
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Tweety
2004-01-13 04:56:38 UTC
Permalink
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news.new
2004-01-05 12:39:02 UTC
Permalink
Guess onyl you are not happy !
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of job
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the population
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid inflicting
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy org
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy you
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
truth
2004-01-06 07:30:16 UTC
Permalink
You are wrong. I am very happy living here.
No stress, no worries, cool weather, beautiful
ocean and landscape, nice people, good food.
Could not ask for more.
Pls don't be envious.
Post by news.new
Guess onyl you are not happy !
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid inflicting
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten the
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing more
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
ardeedee
2004-01-06 07:35:55 UTC
Permalink
What ocean - do not lie - we only have seas around us?
Post by truth
You are wrong. I am very happy living here.
No stress, no worries, cool weather, beautiful
ocean and landscape, nice people, good food.
Could not ask for more.
Pls don't be envious.
Post by news.new
Guess onyl you are not happy !
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are out of
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this situation.
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy COE -
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to feed
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid
inflicting
Post by news.new
Post by truth
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten
the
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that PAPy
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good strategy
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by news.new
Post by truth
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by news.new
Post by truth
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we
lose
Post by news.new
Post by truth
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
truth
2004-01-06 15:47:34 UTC
Permalink
Australia.
Post by ardeedee
What ocean - do not lie - we only have seas around us?
Post by truth
You are wrong. I am very happy living here.
No stress, no worries, cool weather, beautiful
ocean and landscape, nice people, good food.
Could not ask for more.
Pls don't be envious.
Post by news.new
Guess onyl you are not happy !
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are
out
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by truth
Post by news.new
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this
situation.
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy
COE -
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to
feed
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid
inflicting
Post by news.new
Post by truth
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of consituency
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and threaten
the
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called "resounding
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by news.new
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good
strategy
Post by truth
Post by news.new
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by news.new
Post by truth
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what
our
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by
hate
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by news.new
Post by truth
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we
lose
Post by news.new
Post by truth
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
ardeedee
2004-01-06 16:52:23 UTC
Permalink
Ahh now, we know you - but how come you disappeared for a while.SARS got
your pen?
Post by truth
Australia.
Post by ardeedee
What ocean - do not lie - we only have seas around us?
Post by truth
You are wrong. I am very happy living here.
No stress, no worries, cool weather, beautiful
ocean and landscape, nice people, good food.
Could not ask for more.
Pls don't be envious.
Post by news.new
Guess onyl you are not happy !
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are
out
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by truth
Post by news.new
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this
situation.
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy
COE -
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to
feed
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid
inflicting
Post by news.new
Post by truth
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of
consituency
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and
threaten
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
the
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called
"resounding
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate that
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by news.new
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at every
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good
strategy
Post by truth
Post by news.new
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it nothing
more
Post by news.new
Post by truth
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what
our
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
representative voters saw when they gave our Government
its
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by
hate
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when
they
Post by news.new
Post by truth
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until
we
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
lose
Post by news.new
Post by truth
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
truth
2004-01-09 01:57:59 UTC
Permalink
Was travelling.
Post by ardeedee
Ahh now, we know you - but how come you disappeared for a while.SARS got
your pen?
Post by truth
Australia.
Post by ardeedee
What ocean - do not lie - we only have seas around us?
Post by truth
You are wrong. I am very happy living here.
No stress, no worries, cool weather, beautiful
ocean and landscape, nice people, good food.
Could not ask for more.
Pls don't be envious.
Post by news.new
Guess onyl you are not happy !
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
"Decent life" is covered in my posting a few
days ago, reproduced below.
Bad boy.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours.
Are they happier ? I remember reading a
survey that shows that the Philipino, poorer but
are happier than Singaporeans.
Post by Bad boy
Over 80% are home
owners,
How many % of the home are fully paid up.
How much loans still outstanding ?
Is the property value now sufficient to cover
the loan if they are forced to sell ?
How many people unable to service their
housing loan.
Post by Bad boy
they have 3 square meals a day,
More than 3 square meals a day.
Post by Bad boy
their children are educated,
Are Singapore children happy ? Why the increase in
number of students commiting suicide.
Are they over stressed.
How much did their parents have to spend on tuition
and worried like hell during examination time.
Post by Bad boy
90% have jobs
10% don't. That is bad enough.
Of the 90%, what % of them earn less than S$2000 ?
Any minimium wage ?
Post by Bad boy
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year,
What % of the population go on annual holidays.
Post by Bad boy
90% have good
medical care,
So 10% has no good medical care = 400,000.
Very bad.
Post by Bad boy
many have PCs, TV and handphones,
And pay the annual TV license, pay more electricity,
pay more telephone charges. In other words
higher monthly expenditure. If you can afford, ok. But if you are
out
Post by ardeedee
of
Post by truth
Post by news.new
job
Post by truth
with a housing loan, it is headache. How many people in this
situation.
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Which country around Singapore without these products ?
Post by Bad boy
many own cars
Yes and pay world most expensive price. Every 10 years have to buy
COE -
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
another S$20,000.
How many thousands does it take to maintain a car? What % of the
population
Post by truth
can affort it ?
Post by Bad boy
or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses,
And get squashed.
Post by Bad boy
over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes,
Have to pay maid levy on top of salary and other expenses. Have to
feed
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
maid. Lost family privacy.
Have misguided children. Husband fooling around with maid. Maid
inflicting
Post by news.new
Post by truth
injury on young children. Maid
kill parents. Maid commit suicide.
Is it so good to have maid ?
The Indonesian have even more maid at home. The maid are so cheap.
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Which country around Singapore does not have these services ?
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
What do you mean by "decent life"?
Post by Bad boy
If most of the people do not have a decent life,
if they are unhappy with their leaders, they
will vote against any GRC ward. It does not
matter whether they stand alone or in groups.
The fact is that most people enjoy a decent life
in Singapore. This alone is the biggest factor
why PAP won.
Bad boy.
--
Post by DGPSC
If there is no GRC, if there is no enlargement of
consituency
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
boundaries,
Post by Bad boy
if
Post by DGPSC
there is no dirty tricks from PAPy org to harass and
threaten
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
the
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
voters...
Post by DGPSC
do you think that there would ever be a so-called
"resounding
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
mandate"??
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
How gullible are you to think so. It is only fortunate
that
Post by truth
Post by ardeedee
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by news.new
org
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
is
Post by truth
in
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
the driver's seat to change the rules of engagement at
every
Post by truth
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
election,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
just
Post by DGPSC
to stiffle political competition. You may call it good
strategy
Post by truth
Post by news.new
you
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
PAPy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
stooge, but in the eyes of the rest of the world, it
nothing
Post by truth
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
more
Post by news.new
Post by truth
than
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
dirty
Post by DGPSC
politics as per anywhere.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see
what
Post by truth
Post by ardeedee
our
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
representative voters saw when they gave our Government
its
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded
by
Post by truth
Post by ardeedee
hate
Post by truth
Post by news.new
Post by truth
that
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes
when
Post by truth
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
they
Post by news.new
Post by truth
have
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until
we
Post by ardeedee
Post by truth
lose
Post by news.new
Post by truth
it.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
And
Post by Bad boy
Post by DGPSC
Post by XiaoMei
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Darth BiRdYz
2004-01-03 03:42:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
What resounding mandate for this gover-min, really?

If you ever pondered you would have realized that a large number of the
voters did not even get to vote. Only your own twisted mind is so blinded by
your toadying that you will failed to see the mountain in your own eyes when
all you can see is the speck in the other's eyes.
Post by XiaoMei
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
And I am quite certain you are dead worried about losing your prrreciious...

But the one ring that is the Tali-PAP must be destroyed along with the
powers of Lau-ron Lee.
ardeedee
2004-01-03 04:10:39 UTC
Permalink
The people speak with their votes and PAP will know how to use such votes.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
Bad boy
2004-01-03 11:27:01 UTC
Permalink
You hit the nail on the head.

Bad boy.
Post by ardeedee
The people speak with their votes and PAP will know how to use such votes.
Post by XiaoMei
I, like you, routinely ponder why some here can't see what our
representative voters saw when they gave our Government its
resounding mandate. Their twisted minds are so blinded by hate that
they will scrutinize every speck of dust in your eyes when they have
a log in their own.
We often don't realize something is precious to us until we lose it. And
lose it we just might if the Opposition keeps this up.
Post by Bad boy
The truth....only a few got screwed bad.
The majority have a relatively decent life here.
This is the reason why PAP is returned to power
for the last 40 years. Unless others could give
Singaporean a better life, a better deal, PAP will
be returned to power in the next GE.
MADCOW
2004-01-02 03:25:38 UTC
Permalink
Although structurally speaking, Singapore is so vulnerable, but I do not
think it is beyond salvage. Could it be worse than total destructions? ;)

We cannot wait for those who have brought us to this stage to correct
themselves; that's pretty difficult because they are really out of touch
from reality...i.e. they don't see what we commoners see. You can't tell a
guy that couldn't even see his own flaws to correct himself, could you? He
couldn't even recognize his problem at the very first place!

Thus, it is important to have alternative views carried out by alternative
politicians in parliarment. But without citizens' participations, there
could never be alternative politicians!

MADCOW
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole of
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from the
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture that
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after election
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle
again,
Post by DGPSC
whine
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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ardeedee
2004-01-02 06:54:54 UTC
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There is point in time when it is beyond salvage when 20 % of affluent group
takes flight and kicks the dust off their sandls in goodbye and the rest
without reserves hold their cocks in disbelief.
Post by MADCOW
Although structurally speaking, Singapore is so vulnerable, but I do not
think it is beyond salvage. Could it be worse than total destructions? ;)
We cannot wait for those who have brought us to this stage to correct
themselves; that's pretty difficult because they are really out of touch
from reality...i.e. they don't see what we commoners see. You can't tell a
guy that couldn't even see his own flaws to correct himself, could you? He
couldn't even recognize his problem at the very first place!
Thus, it is important to have alternative views carried out by alternative
politicians in parliarment. But without citizens' participations, there
could never be alternative politicians!
MADCOW
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole
of
Post by DGPSC
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from
the
Post by DGPSC
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture
that
Post by DGPSC
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after
election
Post by DGPSC
Post by Tweety
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle
again,
Post by DGPSC
whine
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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truth
2004-01-02 13:33:48 UTC
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Without a fair, open and genuinely democratic
election supervised by some external bodies, it is
very difficult for the opposition to make significant
headway. The pap will put all sorts of out
of this world obstacle in your way.
The one in the pap who is holding up is Harry.
The 2nd and 3rd echelons don't have the guts to
be too dirty.
Post by MADCOW
Although structurally speaking, Singapore is so vulnerable, but I do not
think it is beyond salvage. Could it be worse than total destructions? ;)
We cannot wait for those who have brought us to this stage to correct
themselves; that's pretty difficult because they are really out of touch
from reality...i.e. they don't see what we commoners see. You can't tell a
guy that couldn't even see his own flaws to correct himself, could you? He
couldn't even recognize his problem at the very first place!
Thus, it is important to have alternative views carried out by alternative
politicians in parliarment. But without citizens' participations, there
could never be alternative politicians!
MADCOW
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole
of
Post by DGPSC
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from
the
Post by DGPSC
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture
that
Post by DGPSC
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after
election
Post by DGPSC
Post by Tweety
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle
again,
Post by DGPSC
whine
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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XiaoMei
2004-01-02 17:31:09 UTC
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It is interesting, in a sickening sort of way, how you can cavalierly wink
to the "vulnerability" and "total destruction" of our Singapore.

Is this the Worker's Party manifesto?
Post by MADCOW
Although structurally speaking, Singapore is so vulnerable, but I do not
think it is beyond salvage. Could it be worse than total destructions? ;)
Darth BiRdYz
2004-01-03 03:39:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by XiaoMei
It is interesting, in a sickening sort of way, how you can cavalierly wink
to the "vulnerability" and "total destruction" of our Singapore.
And why not when everyone else will find a way to survive it?

Are you afraid that it is the end of your own days when that happened?
Post by XiaoMei
Is this the Worker's Party manifesto?
That's probably the 'diu gow ley' manifesto, Ms Ah Xiao.
Tweety
2004-01-03 03:22:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by MADCOW
Thus, it is important to have alternative views carried out by alternative
politicians in parliarment. But without citizens' participations, there
could never be alternative politicians!
Don't we have alternate voices today, two opposition MPs and how many more do we
need?

We do have many alternate voices before, but voters rejected them prefer only
two. We too have many credible oppositions willing to run for GE and the voters
too rejected them. After the GE they have to run always else end up in jail.

How are you going to convince these voters that you are credibility and that you
are indeed there to help and to offer an alternate solution to our current mess?

Finally, as usual we are always complaining this or that, are you going to give
up upgrade, better lifestyle, or other goodies?

It's a thankless task threaten by the law on one side, dislike and laugh at by
the other. Think about, is it worth your trouble? :-)

Tweety
Post by MADCOW
MADCOW
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole
of
Post by DGPSC
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from
the
Post by DGPSC
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture
that
Post by DGPSC
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after
election
Post by DGPSC
Post by Tweety
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle
again,
Post by DGPSC
whine
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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yansimon52
2004-01-06 07:50:09 UTC
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Post by MADCOW
Although structurally speaking, Singapore is so vulnerable, but I do not
think it is beyond salvage. Could it be worse than total destructions? ;)
We cannot wait for those who have brought us to this stage to correct
themselves; that's pretty difficult because they are really out of touch
from reality...i.e. they don't see what we commoners see. You can't tell a
guy that couldn't even see his own flaws to correct himself, could you? He
couldn't even recognize his problem at the very first place!
Thus, it is important to have alternative views carried out by alternative
politicians in parliarment.
I agrees with you 'man!

Right now, common folks, those above 40's plus with lower education or
not at all, are having A VERY VERY TOUGH TIME, making ends meet.
Reason is, these PAP millionaire minister have yet to realise or to
come up with a 'correct formula' on this important matter such as,
the 'domestic market liquidity' issue.

In my recent encounter with my past sub-contractor\s workers, they
don't even have $20 in their pocket, let alone having POSB saving. Wet
Market stallholders usually see more $50 notes during month end, more
$10 notes during the midst of the month and more $2 notes and
shillings during the 20 th onward...
So, you tell me, everything is alright in the domestic market? Really
something is not right, the way it goes.
Their inspiration just fade away, a gonner!

Calling ourselves as Nos 1, a rich nation? Can't even take care of
its ordinary folks, by providing a decent meal.

What's a pity!!!


Hey, before they (PAP) talk too much, they should set their house in
order ie. by solving the domestic problem of hungry people or
'spending power',first, then, they can talk about on how to propel the
singapore economy to be NOs 1.

But without citizens' participations, there
Post by MADCOW
could never be alternative politicians!
MADCOW
Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation. What can one do about it? It is not up to the general
citizenery "to do something" about it. Rather than asking me or many other
posters what I or they can do about it, perhaps the greater question is
whether the PAPy org realises the deep shit hole they have dug the whole
of
Post by DGPSC
SINapore into and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Yes, it is the same shitheads who
dug the hole who will need to relax on penalties of a countering view so
that good people can come forward to help. At the moment, the PAPy org is
still adopting a "father-knows-best" style of management through this
crisis, which is not helping at all. Meanwhile the general fear against
oppression should anyone speak out is very real. Without admisison from
the
Post by DGPSC
PAPy org that they have screwed up and that SINapore citizenery can help
with creative solutions, nothing is going to move ahead and we are all in
deep shit.
The first move will have to come from the PAPy gurhmen. The leadership at
mini-ster levels certainly stinks real bad. It is about time a clean sweep
is warranted at the top instead of making sweeps at working levels in
gurhmen agencies and stat boards... They r just not getting the picture
that
Post by DGPSC
the root of all problems stems from ineffective leadership and ivory-tower
syndrome at minsterial levels.
Post by Tweety
If I assume what you posted here are 100% correct, may I ask what you
going to
Post by DGPSC
Post by Tweety
do about it?
Posting trash and whining are not going to help you or anyone at all.
You will forget everything on polling day and vote PAP, and after
election
Post by DGPSC
Post by Tweety
everything will go up as usual. And, you will start the long cycle
again,
whine
Post by DGPSC
Post by Tweety
and bitch here, like me a broken records.
Please do something including jumping dow your pigeons hole.
Tweety
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
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Bad boy
2004-01-02 08:41:47 UTC
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Post by DGPSC
The PAPy org has created a SINapore that is already beyond salvage in its
current situation.
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours. Over 80% are home
owners, they have 3 square meals a day,
their children are educated, 90% have jobs
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year, 90% have good
medical care, many have PCs, TV and handphones,
many own cars or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses, over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes, Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......

Singaporeans and others are able to condemn the
government in the SG without fear, people are free to
use the speaker's corner.....

Yes, its economy is not growing, the property
and share prices are down, and 5% of the people are
jobless.

This is beyond salvage??!! Come, come, let's not
fool ourselves and be misled.

It is you who is beyond salvage.

Bad boy.
XiaoMei
2004-01-02 17:50:45 UTC
Permalink
A remarkably sensible post spoken with stark clarity.

This must be painful for the Opposition trolls to read.
Post by Bad boy
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours. Over 80% are home
owners, they have 3 square meals a day,
their children are educated, 90% have jobs
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year, 90% have good
medical care, many have PCs, TV and handphones,
many own cars or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses, over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes, Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Singaporeans and others are able to condemn the
government in the SG without fear, people are free to
use the speaker's corner.....
Yes, its economy is not growing, the property
and share prices are down, and 5% of the people are
jobless.
This is beyond salvage??!! Come, come, let's not
fool ourselves and be misled.
It is you who is beyond salvage.
Bad boy.
Darth BiRdYz
2004-01-03 03:43:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by XiaoMei
A remarkably sensible post spoken with stark clarity.
This must be painful for the Opposition trolls to read.
What so painful when I realize with stark clarity that I had put in my own
efforts to give myself a good life and not like a parasite like you, sit
back and get fed by the Tali-PAP?

Now, giving credit to yourself must be something painful for a toady like
you, Ms Ah Xiao.
ardeedee
2004-01-03 04:13:17 UTC
Permalink
He is running away with his ill-gotten millions and wants to ensure PAP does
not follow him to contribute to election funds?
Post by XiaoMei
A remarkably sensible post spoken with stark clarity.
This must be painful for the Opposition trolls to read.
Post by Bad boy
Generally, Singaporean enjoy better life
than their neighbours. Over 80% are home
owners, they have 3 square meals a day,
their children are educated, 90% have jobs
or business, many bring their families to
overseas holidays every year, 90% have good
medical care, many have PCs, TV and handphones,
many own cars or others can travel in air-con
MRT and aircon buses, over 150,000 maids work
in over 150,000 homes, Singaporean enjoy constant
supply electricity and water, reliable phones services
and other amenities, the list can go on and on, and on......
Singaporeans and others are able to condemn the
government in the SG without fear, people are free to
use the speaker's corner.....
Yes, its economy is not growing, the property
and share prices are down, and 5% of the people are
jobless.
This is beyond salvage??!! Come, come, let's not
fool ourselves and be misled.
It is you who is beyond salvage.
Bad boy.
blackgold
2004-01-02 08:22:05 UTC
Permalink
Failure? This is its greatest success. An unimaginative and cowed population
make M$ salaries possible. Failures of policies are easily explained away,
or just not mentioned in any media at all. Only success stories are
publicised. Comments by International media that is agreeable are blown up
in the local media, and those that are not agreeable is suppressed.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
Bad boy
2004-01-02 08:18:19 UTC
Permalink
Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.

Can you substantiate all your accusations?

For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.

Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.

Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.

Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.

Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
XiaoMei
2004-01-02 17:57:14 UTC
Permalink
I highly doubt that the Opposition Trolls here, other than character
assassinations from an anonymous mob, are capable of substantiating
anything.
Post by Bad boy
Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
Darth BiRdYz
2004-01-03 03:45:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by XiaoMei
I highly doubt that the Opposition Trolls here, other than character
assassinations from an anonymous mob, are capable of substantiating
anything.
Well, compared to character asssassinating, anonymous Tali-PAP toadys trying
to sustain the illusion of the Tali-PAP, sama sama lah.
truth
2004-01-03 08:38:34 UTC
Permalink
If the pap multi$million ministers allow
an open, fair and independent poll to be
taken we might be able to statistically
prove all these allegations.

However even with hands tied, I
can still make a good case.

Submissive citizen:

Circumstantial evidences :

Self censorship by authors, commentators, etc. I myself
am also guilty of this and I think you are also guilty of self censorship.
The late E W Barker after retiring was reported to have said that the newer
cabinet ministers are very quiet in cabinet meeting. They dare not speak up.
Why ? Because
they are afraid of offending Harry and son.
Many foreign consultants have come out of Singapore with the same
impression.

Acts of submission :

Ask Chia Thye Poh, Dr. Toh Chin Chye, Catherine Lim, George Cherian, TLH's
wife.

Act to force submission :

JBJ, FS, TLH, CSJ.

Who dare challenge Harry after what he said :

"As PM, I reserved executive powers in the ISA and the Criminal
Law(Temporary Provisions) Act, both inherited from British Times which I did
not repeal in order to be able to act against subservisives or criminals
like drug traffickers against whom there is insufficient evidence for a
court of law without having recourse to the courts.
In other words I was my own carrier of a hatchet. I need no hatchet man.
All those who have dealth with me know that I have never flinched from going
into a dark street on a dark night and it happens to be a cu de sac. No
outlet - either the gangster or I will come out alive.
I have done this a few times. I am prepared to do this again. " ST 3/11/95


Many peopl dare not have their photo taken with opposition. Just look at
poor JBJ. Hugh crowd just pass him by. Why ? They are all scare ? Why ? ISD
watching over them with video camera.

Still not convince ?

Just truthfully answer to yourself this :

Am I afraid to openly challenge the pap ?
Post by Bad boy
Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
Bad boy
2004-01-03 10:50:21 UTC
Permalink
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.

Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.

Bad boy.
Post by truth
If the pap multi$million ministers allow
an open, fair and independent poll to be
taken we might be able to statistically
prove all these allegations.
However even with hands tied, I
can still make a good case.
Self censorship by authors, commentators, etc. I myself
am also guilty of this and I think you are also guilty of self censorship.
The late E W Barker after retiring was reported to have said that the newer
cabinet ministers are very quiet in cabinet meeting. They dare not speak up.
Firstly, self censorship politicians, authors, commentators
is not proof of submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole.
Post by truth
Why ? Because
they are afraid of offending Harry and son.
Many foreign consultants have come out of Singapore with the same
impression.
Ask Chia Thye Poh, Dr. Toh Chin Chye, Catherine Lim, George Cherian, TLH's
wife.
Non sequitur. You have to show acts of
mass submissiveness by 90% of Singaporean.
Giving names of a few individuals and politicans
is not evidence.
Post by truth
JBJ, FS, TLH, CSJ.
Non sequitur again.
Politicians who dare not speak out in the presence
of LKY and his son is not proof of Singaporean's
submissiveness.
It merely show that such people have no back
bones and are pitiful intellectual cripples. They
are losers.
Post by truth
"As PM, I reserved executive powers in the ISA and the Criminal
Law(Temporary Provisions) Act, both inherited from British Times which I did
not repeal in order to be able to act against subservisives or criminals
like drug traffickers against whom there is insufficient evidence for a
court of law without having recourse to the courts.
In other words I was my own carrier of a hatchet. I need no hatchet man.
All those who have dealth with me know that I have never flinched from going
into a dark street on a dark night and it happens to be a cu de sac. No
outlet - either the gangster or I will come out alive.
I have done this a few times. I am prepared to do this again. " ST 3/11/95
Many peopl dare not have their photo taken with opposition. Just look at
poor JBJ. Hugh crowd just pass him by. Why ? They are all scare ? Why ? ISD
watching over them with video camera.
Normal people would not associate with losers
like JBJ.
He is well known for making wild talks. He looked
stupid when made to answer for his baseless
accusations.
If JBJ cannot look after himself, how can he look after
the livelihoods of 4 millions Singaporeans.
I don't blame Singaporeans for avoiding JBJ. He was
a typical loser.
Post by truth
Still not convince ?
Am I afraid to openly challenge the pap ?
Most Singaporean do not find a need to challenge
PAP. Only politicians with ambitions do.

Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
truth
2004-01-04 04:10:37 UTC
Permalink
Good enough for me and many others.
Many in the world think so too.

The best is :

1. Have an open, fair, truely democratic
election.

2. Have an independent organisation conduct
a poll.

Unfortunately you are not the PM. So even if
you agreed it cannot be carried out.
The pap is scare. That is why they have to use
intimidating tactic. Logical conclusion to an
ordinary person but a one track mind will never
see it.

Meanwhile you are entitled to your opinion as much
as I am entitled to my opinion.
Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
If the pap multi$million ministers allow
an open, fair and independent poll to be
taken we might be able to statistically
prove all these allegations.
However even with hands tied, I
can still make a good case.
Self censorship by authors, commentators, etc. I myself
am also guilty of this and I think you are also guilty of self censorship.
The late E W Barker after retiring was reported to have said that the
newer
Post by truth
cabinet ministers are very quiet in cabinet meeting. They dare not speak
up.
Firstly, self censorship politicians, authors, commentators
is not proof of submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole.
Post by truth
Why ? Because
they are afraid of offending Harry and son.
Many foreign consultants have come out of Singapore with the same
impression.
Ask Chia Thye Poh, Dr. Toh Chin Chye, Catherine Lim, George Cherian, TLH's
wife.
Non sequitur. You have to show acts of
mass submissiveness by 90% of Singaporean.
Giving names of a few individuals and politicans
is not evidence.
Post by truth
JBJ, FS, TLH, CSJ.
Non sequitur again.
Politicians who dare not speak out in the presence
of LKY and his son is not proof of Singaporean's
submissiveness.
It merely show that such people have no back
bones and are pitiful intellectual cripples. They
are losers.
Post by truth
"As PM, I reserved executive powers in the ISA and the Criminal
Law(Temporary Provisions) Act, both inherited from British Times which I
did
Post by truth
not repeal in order to be able to act against subservisives or criminals
like drug traffickers against whom there is insufficient evidence for a
court of law without having recourse to the courts.
In other words I was my own carrier of a hatchet. I need no hatchet man.
All those who have dealth with me know that I have never flinched from
going
Post by truth
into a dark street on a dark night and it happens to be a cu de sac. No
outlet - either the gangster or I will come out alive.
I have done this a few times. I am prepared to do this again. " ST 3/11/95
Many peopl dare not have their photo taken with opposition. Just look at
poor JBJ. Hugh crowd just pass him by. Why ? They are all scare ? Why ?
ISD
Post by truth
watching over them with video camera.
Normal people would not associate with losers
like JBJ.
He is well known for making wild talks. He looked
stupid when made to answer for his baseless
accusations.
If JBJ cannot look after himself, how can he look after
the livelihoods of 4 millions Singaporeans.
I don't blame Singaporeans for avoiding JBJ. He was
a typical loser.
Post by truth
Still not convince ?
Am I afraid to openly challenge the pap ?
Most Singaporean do not find a need to challenge
PAP. Only politicians with ambitions do.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
Bad boy
2004-01-04 13:54:10 UTC
Permalink
If it was a subjective matter, then it is a matter
of opinion. Frankly, I don't care what the PAP
haters think.
They are, as you said, of one track mind, ...they
blame PAP for everything bad under the sun,
they accuse PAP of all political sins, without
justification or any concrete evidence.

Now, such accusations when repeated often
enough, even politicians from other parties
believe them and act on them. Results..., they
are seen by voters as political light weights,
unable to take over power.

Take for example, the reason why voters have
been returning PAP to power at every general
election.
The accusation thrown at PAP may be true
in some instances. But the real reason is that the
Opposition had not come up with able MPs,
MPs who could out perform PAP and demonstrate
to the voters they are man of substance.

Singaporean are not blind or stupid. They know
who can look after their rice bowl and give them
what they desire most. They voted according
to their heart of heart. No amount of mud thrown
at PAP will change their votes.

It is not PAP greatest failure in this instance,
or rather, the failure of those who are blind to
the wishes and needs of Singaporean.

Bad boy.

I have said my piece, and will not continue
with this thread.
Post by truth
Good enough for me and many others.
Many in the world think so too.
1. Have an open, fair, truely democratic
election.
2. Have an independent organisation conduct
a poll.
Unfortunately you are not the PM. So even if
you agreed it cannot be carried out.
The pap is scare. That is why they have to use
intimidating tactic. Logical conclusion to an
ordinary person but a one track mind will never
see it.
Meanwhile you are entitled to your opinion as much
as I am entitled to my opinion.
Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
If the pap multi$million ministers allow
an open, fair and independent poll to be
taken we might be able to statistically
prove all these allegations.
However even with hands tied, I
can still make a good case.
Self censorship by authors, commentators, etc. I myself
am also guilty of this and I think you are also guilty of self
censorship.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
The late E W Barker after retiring was reported to have said that the
newer
Post by truth
cabinet ministers are very quiet in cabinet meeting. They dare not speak
up.
Firstly, self censorship politicians, authors, commentators
is not proof of submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole.
Post by truth
Why ? Because
they are afraid of offending Harry and son.
Many foreign consultants have come out of Singapore with the same
impression.
Ask Chia Thye Poh, Dr. Toh Chin Chye, Catherine Lim, George Cherian,
TLH's
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
wife.
Non sequitur. You have to show acts of
mass submissiveness by 90% of Singaporean.
Giving names of a few individuals and politicans
is not evidence.
Post by truth
JBJ, FS, TLH, CSJ.
Non sequitur again.
Politicians who dare not speak out in the presence
of LKY and his son is not proof of Singaporean's
submissiveness.
It merely show that such people have no back
bones and are pitiful intellectual cripples. They
are losers.
Post by truth
"As PM, I reserved executive powers in the ISA and the Criminal
Law(Temporary Provisions) Act, both inherited from British Times which I
did
Post by truth
not repeal in order to be able to act against subservisives or criminals
like drug traffickers against whom there is insufficient evidence for a
court of law without having recourse to the courts.
In other words I was my own carrier of a hatchet. I need no hatchet man.
All those who have dealth with me know that I have never flinched from
going
Post by truth
into a dark street on a dark night and it happens to be a cu de sac. No
outlet - either the gangster or I will come out alive.
I have done this a few times. I am prepared to do this again. " ST
3/11/95
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Many peopl dare not have their photo taken with opposition. Just look at
poor JBJ. Hugh crowd just pass him by. Why ? They are all scare ? Why ?
ISD
Post by truth
watching over them with video camera.
Normal people would not associate with losers
like JBJ.
He is well known for making wild talks. He looked
stupid when made to answer for his baseless
accusations.
If JBJ cannot look after himself, how can he look after
the livelihoods of 4 millions Singaporeans.
I don't blame Singaporeans for avoiding JBJ. He was
a typical loser.
Post by truth
Still not convince ?
Am I afraid to openly challenge the pap ?
Most Singaporean do not find a need to challenge
PAP. Only politicians with ambitions do.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their
country,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel
empowered.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just
look
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
sunspot
2004-01-05 06:48:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bad boy
If it was a subjective matter, then it is a matter
of opinion. Frankly, I don't care what the PAP
haters think.
They are, as you said, of one track mind, ...they
blame PAP for everything bad under the sun,
they accuse PAP of all political sins, without
justification or any concrete evidence.
Who else write all the policies, laws and rules in Singapore? Its the
PAP isn't it? If things go wrong, isn't it fair the blames goes to
them? If they cannot create enough jobs, do we blame Bush? Of course
we blame Goh. You trying to tell us otherwise?
Post by Bad boy
Now, such accusations when repeated often
enough, even politicians from other parties
believe them and act on them.
One fact which you probably want to look at. The retirement CPF was
frozen by a slew of new measures such as "minimum sum" and the old
folks were not consulted. Did the retirees agree to have their
savings denied to them? The ministers simply changed the CPF laws, in
a high handed manner, and in one single act, took away the years of
hard work of the senior citizens. Is this "perception" or is this
fact?
Post by Bad boy
Results..., they
are seen by voters as political light weights,
unable to take over power.
Take for example, the reason why voters have
been returning PAP to power at every general
election.
The accusation thrown at PAP may be true
in some instances. But the real reason is that the
Opposition had not come up with able MPs,
MPs who could out perform PAP and demonstrate
to the voters they are man of substance.
Singaporean are not blind or stupid. They know
who can look after their rice bowl and give them
what they desire most. They voted according
to their heart of heart. No amount of mud thrown
at PAP will change their votes.
It is not PAP greatest failure in this instance,
or rather, the failure of those who are blind to
the wishes and needs of Singaporean.
Bad boy.
I have said my piece, and will not continue
with this thread.
Post by truth
Good enough for me and many others.
Many in the world think so too.
1. Have an open, fair, truely democratic
election.
2. Have an independent organisation conduct
a poll.
Unfortunately you are not the PM. So even if
you agreed it cannot be carried out.
The pap is scare. That is why they have to use
intimidating tactic. Logical conclusion to an
ordinary person but a one track mind will never
see it.
Meanwhile you are entitled to your opinion as much
as I am entitled to my opinion.
Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
If the pap multi$million ministers allow
an open, fair and independent poll to be
taken we might be able to statistically
prove all these allegations.
However even with hands tied, I
can still make a good case.
Self censorship by authors, commentators, etc. I myself
am also guilty of this and I think you are also guilty of self
censorship.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
The late E W Barker after retiring was reported to have said that the
newer
Post by truth
cabinet ministers are very quiet in cabinet meeting. They dare not
speak
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
up.
Firstly, self censorship politicians, authors, commentators
is not proof of submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole.
Post by truth
Why ? Because
they are afraid of offending Harry and son.
Many foreign consultants have come out of Singapore with the same
impression.
Ask Chia Thye Poh, Dr. Toh Chin Chye, Catherine Lim, George Cherian,
TLH's
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
wife.
Non sequitur. You have to show acts of
mass submissiveness by 90% of Singaporean.
Giving names of a few individuals and politicans
is not evidence.
Post by truth
JBJ, FS, TLH, CSJ.
Non sequitur again.
Politicians who dare not speak out in the presence
of LKY and his son is not proof of Singaporean's
submissiveness.
It merely show that such people have no back
bones and are pitiful intellectual cripples. They
are losers.
Post by truth
"As PM, I reserved executive powers in the ISA and the Criminal
Law(Temporary Provisions) Act, both inherited from British Times which
I
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
did
Post by truth
not repeal in order to be able to act against subservisives or
criminals
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
like drug traffickers against whom there is insufficient evidence for
a
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
court of law without having recourse to the courts.
In other words I was my own carrier of a hatchet. I need no hatchet
man.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
All those who have dealth with me know that I have never flinched from
going
Post by truth
into a dark street on a dark night and it happens to be a cu de sac.
No
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
outlet - either the gangster or I will come out alive.
I have done this a few times. I am prepared to do this again. " ST
3/11/95
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Many peopl dare not have their photo taken with opposition. Just look
at
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
poor JBJ. Hugh crowd just pass him by. Why ? They are all scare ? Why
?
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
ISD
Post by truth
watching over them with video camera.
Normal people would not associate with losers
like JBJ.
He is well known for making wild talks. He looked
stupid when made to answer for his baseless
accusations.
If JBJ cannot look after himself, how can he look after
the livelihoods of 4 millions Singaporeans.
I don't blame Singaporeans for avoiding JBJ. He was
a typical loser.
Post by truth
Still not convince ?
Am I afraid to openly challenge the pap ?
Most Singaporean do not find a need to challenge
PAP. Only politicians with ambitions do.
Bad boy.
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their
country,
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel
empowered.
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open
debate,
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just
look
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of
jobs
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for
the
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by truth
Post by Bad boy
Post by Goh Bak Chov
repressed.
truth
2004-01-06 08:03:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bad boy
If it was a subjective matter, then it is a matter
of opinion. Frankly, I don't care what the PAP
haters think.
Similarly your thoughts are irrelevant to others.
Post by Bad boy
They are, as you said, of one track mind, ...they
blame PAP for everything bad under the sun,
they accuse PAP of all political sins, without
justification or any concrete evidence.
Well some people are like that just like there are
pap arse-lickers who see no wrong in the pap.
Post by Bad boy
Now, such accusations when repeated often
enough, even politicians from other parties
believe them and act on them.
Such weaklings don't deserve to be in office.
Those who act without hearing out the desperate
cries of the people also don't derserve to be in office
Post by Bad boy
Results..., they
are seen by voters as political light weights,
unable to take over power.
Take for example, the reason why voters have
been returning PAP to power at every general
election.
The accusation thrown at PAP may be true
in some instances. But the real reason is that the
Opposition had not come up with able MPs,
MPs who could out perform PAP and demonstrate
to the voters they are man of substance.
The reason why now there is no effective opposition
is not as simple as you make it out to be.
There are thousands of reasons. Good enough for a research paper or a book.

Before the pap accended to power there were effective oppositions. When the
Workers Party under David Marshall and Lim Yew Hock were in power the pap
provides good opposition. Subsequently when the pap were in power there were
effective opposition in Workers Party, the People's Progressive Party and
the Barisan Socialist and Alliance (front for UMNO) in the 1960's. FYI the
PPP was founded by Ong Eng Guan. He is the man who lost by one vote to LKY
in the fight for Secretary General of PAP. There was a tie. The party
consistution give the Chairman ( Dr. Toh Chin Chye) an additional vote. That
is why till this day I called LKY an ungrateful soul because of the way he
treated Dr. Toh for what Dr. Toh has done for him.

The main reason why opposition is now weak in Singapore is due to the
brilliance of one man - LKY.
He systematically goes about the destruction of the opposition by changing
the ground rules, using ISA, misused of the courts to bankrupt opponents. He
also go about de-politicising the school children. That is why about 1 - 2
generations of youngsters are apathetic to politics and current affairs.
Operation Cold Store in 1963 was carried out even before the election was
over. He rounded up all the top and second tier of the leadership and lock
them away without trial. They were only release if they agree to confess
that they are communist or subversive elements and NOT to ever take part in
political activities. (This could will be the submission you are asking for
in one of your posting.)
Post by Bad boy
Singaporean are not blind or stupid. They know
who can look after their rice bowl and give them
what they desire most. They voted according
to their heart of heart. No amount of mud thrown
at PAP will change their votes.
No Singaporeans are so blind and stupid to continue voting for the pap after
the pap has broken so many promises and led them from one recession to
another.
That the pap have continue to hold onto power is due to the pap manipulation
of the electoral system and ridiculous obstacles put in the way of the
opposition.
Hold a free, fair and democratic election under Internatiol Supervision and
I bet you that he pap will lose many seats and may even lose power.
The people are so fedup with them over the last few years that even if you
put a monkey there, they will vote for the monkey just to check on the
excesses of the pap.
Post by Bad boy
It is not PAP greatest failure in this instance,
or rather, the failure of those who are blind to
the wishes and needs of Singaporean.
You mean the pap blind to the wishes of Singaporeans. If that is the case,
then I agree.
Post by Bad boy
Bad boy.
I have said my piece, and will not continue
with this thread.
Please don't pull out. I enjoy sparing with you. Only in this way can we
sharpen our mind.

regards

truth.
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Good enough for me and many others.
Many in the world think so too.
1. Have an open, fair, truely democratic
election.
2. Have an independent organisation conduct
a poll.
Unfortunately you are not the PM. So even if
you agreed it cannot be carried out.
The pap is scare. That is why they have to use
intimidating tactic. Logical conclusion to an
ordinary person but a one track mind will never
see it.
Meanwhile you are entitled to your opinion as much
as I am entitled to my opinion.
Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
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If the pap multi$million ministers allow
an open, fair and independent poll to be
taken we might be able to statistically
prove all these allegations.
However even with hands tied, I
can still make a good case.
Self censorship by authors, commentators, etc. I myself
am also guilty of this and I think you are also guilty of self
censorship.
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The late E W Barker after retiring was reported to have said that the
newer
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cabinet ministers are very quiet in cabinet meeting. They dare not
speak
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up.
Firstly, self censorship politicians, authors, commentators
is not proof of submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole.
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Why ? Because
they are afraid of offending Harry and son.
Many foreign consultants have come out of Singapore with the same
impression.
Ask Chia Thye Poh, Dr. Toh Chin Chye, Catherine Lim, George Cherian,
TLH's
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wife.
Non sequitur. You have to show acts of
mass submissiveness by 90% of Singaporean.
Giving names of a few individuals and politicans
is not evidence.
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JBJ, FS, TLH, CSJ.
Non sequitur again.
Politicians who dare not speak out in the presence
of LKY and his son is not proof of Singaporean's
submissiveness.
It merely show that such people have no back
bones and are pitiful intellectual cripples. They
are losers.
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"As PM, I reserved executive powers in the ISA and the Criminal
Law(Temporary Provisions) Act, both inherited from British Times
which
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I
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did
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not repeal in order to be able to act against subservisives or
criminals
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like drug traffickers against whom there is insufficient evidence
for
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a
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court of law without having recourse to the courts.
In other words I was my own carrier of a hatchet. I need no hatchet
man.
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All those who have dealth with me know that I have never flinched from
going
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into a dark street on a dark night and it happens to be a cu de sac.
No
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outlet - either the gangster or I will come out alive.
I have done this a few times. I am prepared to do this again. " ST
3/11/95
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Many peopl dare not have their photo taken with opposition. Just
look
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at
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poor JBJ. Hugh crowd just pass him by. Why ? They are all scare ?
Why
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?
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ISD
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watching over them with video camera.
Normal people would not associate with losers
like JBJ.
He is well known for making wild talks. He looked
stupid when made to answer for his baseless
accusations.
If JBJ cannot look after himself, how can he look after
the livelihoods of 4 millions Singaporeans.
I don't blame Singaporeans for avoiding JBJ. He was
a typical loser.
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Still not convince ?
Am I afraid to openly challenge the pap ?
Most Singaporean do not find a need to challenge
PAP. Only politicians with ambitions do.
Bad boy.
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Your accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their
country,
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a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel
empowered.
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The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open
debate,
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lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just
look
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at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of
jobs
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etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for
the
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repressed.
sunspot
2004-01-05 06:28:53 UTC
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Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Just to respond to your question above.

Recent examples I can think of is (a) the CPF cuts which majority of
population disapprove but forced upon us, (b) gst increase in a wobbly
economy, (c) ministers self-increase of salary where much of the
population did not agree, (d) pre-emptive retrenchments even in
profitable businesses.

Above few examples should be adequate to answer your question.
news.new
2004-01-05 12:41:22 UTC
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Please show some some statistic number for point a and c.
Post by sunspot
Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Just to respond to your question above.
Recent examples I can think of is (a) the CPF cuts which majority of
population disapprove but forced upon us, (b) gst increase in a wobbly
economy, (c) ministers self-increase of salary where much of the
population did not agree, (d) pre-emptive retrenchments even in
profitable businesses.
Above few examples should be adequate to answer your question.
sunspot
2004-01-05 13:24:16 UTC
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Please show some some statistic number for point a and c.
You came to ask a stupid question? No referendum, where comes the
numbers you sought?

Did the PM conduct a referendum on such important matters like cutting
the take home pay across the board and affecting more than 2 million
workers? Did he also call for a referendum before deciding to freeze
some or all of the CPF savings of those due to retirement? No, he
didn't. He made an arbitrary decision, amend the rules, and did not
bother to even ask those people which he is about to have their
lifelong savings taken away from them.

You want to know the statistics? I am sure everyone wants to know
that too. Not too late to call for a referendum, and put all the
important issues on paper. Let the people vote and let them decide.
Fair?

It is atrocious to take away peoples' retirement money, without their
consent. This goes against the very principles of capitalism, which
happens to be the lifeline of Singapore. Or are we shifting away from
capitalist system into a socialist regime?
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Post by sunspot
Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Just to respond to your question above.
Recent examples I can think of is (a) the CPF cuts which majority of
population disapprove but forced upon us, (b) gst increase in a wobbly
economy, (c) ministers self-increase of salary where much of the
population did not agree, (d) pre-emptive retrenchments even in
profitable businesses.
Above few examples should be adequate to answer your question.
Bad boy
2004-01-07 10:36:54 UTC
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My question?

Truth is supposed to prove with 'circumstantial
evidences' that Singaporean are submissive.

Your examples are proof ?

Bad boy.
Post by sunspot
Post by Bad boy
I do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Just to respond to your question above.
Recent examples I can think of is (a) the CPF cuts which majority of
population disapprove but forced upon us, (b) gst increase in a wobbly
economy, (c) ministers self-increase of salary where much of the
population did not agree, (d) pre-emptive retrenchments even in
profitable businesses.
Above few examples should be adequate to answer your question.
DI DA DI
2004-01-03 13:15:27 UTC
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That is why they blame the people for being "Bo-chap". It came from them,
actually speaking.

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Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
Ong Ding Dong
2004-01-04 01:02:39 UTC
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The numbers speak for itself. 70,000 applicants for emigration to
Austalia alone. If you can't vote with your pen, vote with your feet.
Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
sunspot
2004-01-05 06:20:11 UTC
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Post by Goh Bak Chov
The PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their country,
a people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel empowered.
The high outward migration, lack of creativity, lack of open debate,
lack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just look
at the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of jobs
etc) the peasants. The repressor will never have any respect for the
repressed.
A good and relevant piece of observation.

At the basic level - the family unit - much damage has already been
done by the PAP govt. Last 15 years, we begin to see a society that
place little or no importance to starting a family, either due to
financial insecurity or media influence (this is where the "strict"
censorship failed in its officially declared objective). A society
that shuns procreation and family formation cannot be good, and will
lead to oblivion. In their impatience to extract their blood and
dollars, the PAP govt had neglected the social rot, which incidently
was what they created. Together with the harsh rules and laws, the
PAP govt had removed whatever little pride left in its citizens, and
thus saw the outbound emigration escalate. You think the PAP give a
damn?

A sorry state of affairs in any country. For one, I do not agree that
the PAP leader be given the title of "father" of modern Singapore. He
does not deserve such an accolade. Did he work for the people, or for
himself? Did he show compassion towards the people? Though he talks
a lot about it, but he has nothing to show in deed.
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