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Bursa wants bumiputera shareholding rules relaxed
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Politikus
2008-10-03 02:05:38 UTC
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Too little, too late? :-(

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Bursa wants bumiputera shareholding rules relaxed

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 1 - Bursa Malaysia, the former Kuala Lumpur Stock
Exchange, has asked the government to relax shareholding requirements
that mar the market's attractiveness, industry officials say.

The requirements - which stipulate minimum bumiputera shareholdings -
are said to be making local companies with overseas assets reluctant
to list locally, and driving a growing number of them to go private or
list overseas.

Thirty per cent of a listed company's equity must be set aside for
bumiputeras, but this is not really being contested.

The main point of contention is that should a company top-up its
capital base - say, through a rights issue - regulators can demand
that bumiputera equity be restored to 30 per cent if it has been sold
down. This has always been a concern because shareholders rightfully
complain about earnings dilution.

The bourse wants the rules changed so that once a company is listed
and the 30 per cent bumiputera equity requirement is met, it should no
longer be subject to any top-up conditions.

Industry officials say Bursa Malaysia also wants all sale moratoriums
to be abolished. At present, bumiputeras cannot sell their shares
inside a set time. This disadvantages them in bear market conditions,
whereas non-bumiputeras face no such limitation.

The officials also say Bursa has suggested that if there is no or
insufficient take-up of bumiputera shares, these shares should be
offered to the public instead of being placed in escrow, as they are
now.

They point out that the current bear market has made it extremely
difficult to find investors, as few shares trade above their initial
public offer price.

According to them, only two of the past 12 listings have traded above
their IPO price.

The 30 per cent condition originated with Malaysia's New Economic
Policy, implemented many years ago after race riots.

The policy was originally slated to expire in 1990 but has been
extended to 2020. It seeks to bridge economic disparity between
bumiputeras and richer non-Malays by discriminating in favour of
bumiputeras.

The original aims of the NEP were to eliminate poverty irrespective of
race and to restructure society so no race would be identified with a
specific economic function.

This was to be achieved through targets - specifically, 30 per cent
bumiputera ownership in every sphere of society, from employment and
occupation to house ownership and corporate equity.

Securities industry officials say Bursa Malaysia's proposals to ease
bumiputera shareholding requirements will be considered by the
country's Economic Planning Unit. It isn't clear if any of them will
be approved, as similar suggestions have been made many times in the
past. But this time the suggestions come from an arm of the
government, which will carry more weight.

Also, the proposals are backed by powerful ethnic Malay businessmen
including Nazir Razak, chief executive of investment bank CIMB and
younger brother of Finance Minister and soon-to-be prime minister
Najib Razak. - Business Times Singapore
SARANEWS
2008-10-03 03:38:21 UTC
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WHO CARE
BURSA IS AS BULLSHIT AS THE BN GOVERNMENT
UNTIL THE BN GOVERNMENT IS REPLACED, BURSA IS USELESS, HOPELESS
REMOVING BUMIPUTRA RIGHTS ONLY PROLONG THE AGONY
LET THE POLICY HASTERN BURSA FAILURE AND A BETTER CHANCE OF A NEW GOVERNMENT
COMING
Post by Politikus
Too little, too late? :-(
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Bursa wants bumiputera shareholding rules relaxed
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 1 - Bursa Malaysia, the former Kuala Lumpur Stock
Exchange, has asked the government to relax shareholding requirements
that mar the market's attractiveness, industry officials say.
The requirements - which stipulate minimum bumiputera shareholdings -
are said to be making local companies with overseas assets reluctant
to list locally, and driving a growing number of them to go private or
list overseas.
Thirty per cent of a listed company's equity must be set aside for
bumiputeras, but this is not really being contested.
The main point of contention is that should a company top-up its
capital base - say, through a rights issue - regulators can demand
that bumiputera equity be restored to 30 per cent if it has been sold
down. This has always been a concern because shareholders rightfully
complain about earnings dilution.
The bourse wants the rules changed so that once a company is listed
and the 30 per cent bumiputera equity requirement is met, it should no
longer be subject to any top-up conditions.
Industry officials say Bursa Malaysia also wants all sale moratoriums
to be abolished. At present, bumiputeras cannot sell their shares
inside a set time. This disadvantages them in bear market conditions,
whereas non-bumiputeras face no such limitation.
The officials also say Bursa has suggested that if there is no or
insufficient take-up of bumiputera shares, these shares should be
offered to the public instead of being placed in escrow, as they are
now.
They point out that the current bear market has made it extremely
difficult to find investors, as few shares trade above their initial
public offer price.
According to them, only two of the past 12 listings have traded above
their IPO price.
The 30 per cent condition originated with Malaysia's New Economic
Policy, implemented many years ago after race riots.
The policy was originally slated to expire in 1990 but has been
extended to 2020. It seeks to bridge economic disparity between
bumiputeras and richer non-Malays by discriminating in favour of
bumiputeras.
The original aims of the NEP were to eliminate poverty irrespective of
race and to restructure society so no race would be identified with a
specific economic function.
This was to be achieved through targets - specifically, 30 per cent
bumiputera ownership in every sphere of society, from employment and
occupation to house ownership and corporate equity.
Securities industry officials say Bursa Malaysia's proposals to ease
bumiputera shareholding requirements will be considered by the
country's Economic Planning Unit. It isn't clear if any of them will
be approved, as similar suggestions have been made many times in the
past. But this time the suggestions come from an arm of the
government, which will carry more weight.
Also, the proposals are backed by powerful ethnic Malay businessmen
including Nazir Razak, chief executive of investment bank CIMB and
younger brother of Finance Minister and soon-to-be prime minister
Najib Razak. - Business Times Singapore
ckeong
2008-10-03 08:50:21 UTC
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i think the government should set a new rules that the 30% bumiputra
shares cannot be sold to non-bumi no matter what's the excuse is
giving. That way the bumiputra 30% will not lose, and the government
will have no excuse that the 30% quota is not achieving it's target.
The problem now i think is the rich UMNOputra get their shares then
sell it for big profits. If the rule is not change, then bumiputra
will not get 30% until forever, and just the big rich UMNOputra are
getting richer and richer, and the excuse of not achieving 30% will be
used forever, while the poor will never get the shares of the money.

and we will have a special separate market bumiputra market to trade
only the bumiputra shares, that way the 30% will not lose out, and
those UMNOPutra also cannot make a big profit of it and then run away.
then the 30% shares will only get to the hands of real bumiputra
investor.

so they will be 2 choices for bumi, one - you apply and trade the
share under bumi category, this shares will only be trade in bumi
special market, cannot be trade in open market. 2nd - you apply and
trade the share in open market, there's no privilage in this market,
everyone can trade.

for those apply shares (IPO) on bumiputra status (the 30% quota), they
will automatic fall into category 1, the shares cannot trade in open
market, only can be trade to bumi only. for bumi that want to trade
in open market, they can apply shares (IPO) on open non-bumi category,
they will be no privilige no priority no quota, but the shares can be
trade in open market. bumiputra can apply shares at both markets at
their own will.
Ir Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
2008-10-03 11:36:27 UTC
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Post by ckeong
i think the government should set a new rules that the 30% bumiputra
shares cannot be sold to non-bumi no matter what's the excuse is
giving. That way the bumiputra 30% will not lose, and the government
will have no excuse that the 30% quota is not achieving it's target.
The problem now i think is the rich UMNOputra get their shares then
sell it for big profits. If the rule is not change, then bumiputra
will not get 30% until forever, and just the big rich UMNOputra are
getting richer and richer, and the excuse of not achieving 30% will be
used forever, while the poor will never get the shares of the money.
This is an excellent idea and I'm ashamed of myself of not thinking hard
about it.

It will reduce corruption tremendously without affecting the ability of
the public companies to raise capital. After all, any unsold shares, can
still be kept by the parent company without diluting the value of each
share.

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Politikus
2008-10-03 13:16:34 UTC
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Post by Ir Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
Post by ckeong
i think the government should set a new rules that the 30% bumiputra
shares cannot be sold to non-bumi no matter what's the excuse is
giving. That way the bumiputra 30% will not lose, and the government
will have no excuse that the 30% quota is not achieving it's target.
It will reduce corruption tremendously without affecting the ability of
the public companies to raise capital. After all, any unsold shares, can
still be kept by the parent company without diluting the value of each
share.
Meaning: bumiputra shares on Bursa to be classified e.g. A shares and
B shares? Implementing would not be difficult with the raw IT
processing power nowadays... how to get the government to move on this
track? ;-)

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ckeong
2008-10-03 13:38:46 UTC
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the problem is, the government wouldn't do this, they will given all
kind of excuse, because if this come true, then the UMNOputras will
not able to make quick profits, they will no longer able to subscribe
for bumi-share then sell it to the open market and make a quick
profit. If this is implement, the bumi 30% will be achieved 10 - 20
years ago, they are not stupid, but human greedy take over when money
counts.

the normal excuse for this is, then the bumi share price will be low,
or not enough buyer, bumi will lose money and all kind of excuse, but
itsn't it that the whole idea is to create real bumi-investors, not
quick profit makers or speculators ? if the bumi want to make
speculation, then they can apply for the open market shares just like
others ,no privillage. the real bumi investor can take part in bumi
market which will keep the 30% intact, the real investor always look
at long term benefit. But do you think UMNOputra will buy this idea
which mean they oppurtunity of weath will be in risk ?
unknown
2008-10-03 15:56:19 UTC
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Post by ckeong
the problem is, the government wouldn't do this, they will given all
kind of excuse, because if this come true, then the UMNOputras will
what if there arises a new honest government?
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2008-10-03 21:33:12 UTC
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adchin
2008-10-04 03:43:48 UTC
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the normal excuse for this is, then the bumi share price will be low, or
not enough buyer, bumi will lose money and all kind of excuse, but
itsn't it that the whole idea is to create real bumi-investors, not
quick profit makers or speculators ? if the bumi want to make
No, they can do it like the system employed for ASN and ASB. I think
it's decently implemented.
unknown
2008-10-03 15:56:21 UTC
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Post by Politikus
processing power nowadays... how to get the government to move on this
track? ;-)
change the government.
put in the right directors who practise honest business practices,
invoke death penalties/isa on the offenders.
Post by Politikus
cksickfkk
aka running dog chow-kow-sick-fk who shouts thief for the past 20 years and this dog is a "lawyer".This sclerotic disbarred lawyer spews stolen ideas and states them as the dog's
This dog steals, steals and steals other peoples' ideas posting them here as the dog's own. This sick dog claims to be the most intellectual sick fck, kettle and pot-- NO SHAME!! LOL
mohor yeng
2008-10-04 05:02:53 UTC
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Othman is idiotic, A shares will end up another "Ali Baba" shares.
Post by Ir Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
Post by ckeong
i think the government should set a new rules that the 30% bumiputra
shares cannot be sold to non-bumi no matter what's the excuse is
giving. That way the bumiputra 30% will not lose, and the government
will have no excuse that the 30% quota is not achieving it's target.
It will reduce corruption tremendously without affecting the ability of
the public companies to raise capital. After all, any unsold shares, can
still be kept by the parent company without diluting the value of each
share.
Meaning: bumiputra shares on Bursa to be classified e.g. A shares and
B shares? Implementing would not be difficult with the raw IT
processing power nowadays... how to get the government to move on this
track? ;-)

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adchin
2008-10-04 03:42:32 UTC
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Ditto Haji

I think this is a great idea too !! So when we have a listing, say UEM
Bhd, that means we got a UEM listing for everyone, and a UEM-B for only
bumiputeras of Malaysia. Seriously, this is a great idea. Of course,
we'll also allow the bumis to trade in the UEM section, if they want, but
otherwise, the UEM-B section will be used as a buffer to maintain the 30%
quota forever.
LeisureMan
2008-10-03 12:19:34 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:50:21 -0700 (PDT), ckeong
Post by ckeong
i think the government should set a new rules that the 30% bumiputra
shares cannot be sold to non-bumi no matter what's the excuse is
giving. That way the bumiputra 30% will not lose, and the government
will have no excuse that the 30% quota is not achieving it's target.
The problem now i think is the rich UMNOputra get their shares then
sell it for big profits. If the rule is not change, then bumiputra
will not get 30% until forever, and just the big rich UMNOputra are
getting richer and richer, and the excuse of not achieving 30% will be
used forever, while the poor will never get the shares of the money.
and we will have a special separate market bumiputra market to trade
only the bumiputra shares, that way the 30% will not lose out, and
those UMNOPutra also cannot make a big profit of it and then run away.
then the 30% shares will only get to the hands of real bumiputra
investor.
so they will be 2 choices for bumi, one - you apply and trade the
share under bumi category, this shares will only be trade in bumi
special market, cannot be trade in open market. 2nd - you apply and
trade the share in open market, there's no privilage in this market,
everyone can trade.
for those apply shares (IPO) on bumiputra status (the 30% quota), they
will automatic fall into category 1, the shares cannot trade in open
market, only can be trade to bumi only. for bumi that want to trade
in open market, they can apply shares (IPO) on open non-bumi category,
they will be no privilige no priority no quota, but the shares can be
trade in open market. bumiputra can apply shares at both markets at
their own will.
I believe your observations are spot on; during my investing days
I came across bumi shares were traded even before they were paid
for. Some time the bumi partners were "sponsored" - once allotted
the shares were sold and profit spits ! That is why after so long
30% share holding has not been achieved. The leaks have always
been there !






















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unknown
2008-10-03 15:56:20 UTC
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Post by LeisureMan
30% share holding has not been achieved. The leaks have always
been there !
during those days, non bumi government bosses bought the bumi shares in their
attendants' names, and the attendants pre signed the share transfers ;-)
Post by LeisureMan
cksickfkk
aka running dog chow-kow-sick-fk who shouts thief for the past 20 years and this dog is a "lawyer".This sclerotic disbarred lawyer spews stolen ideas and states them as the dog's
This dog steals, steals and steals other peoples' ideas posting them here as the dog's own. This sick dog claims to be the most intellectual sick fck, kettle and pot-- NO SHAME!! LOL
adchin
2008-10-04 03:46:09 UTC
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unknown
2008-10-03 15:56:23 UTC
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Post by ckeong
i think the government should set a new rules that the 30% bumiputra
shares cannot be sold to non-bumi no matter what's the excuse is
giving. That way the bumiputra 30% will not lose, and the government
iinm that SHOULD be the way.
someway along the line, the implmentation of the policy went haywire and very
many rich malays make very many rich chinamen. they have been on this endless
loop for too long.
Post by ckeong
cksickfkk
aka running dog chow-kow-sick-fk who shouts thief for the past 20 years and this dog is a "lawyer".This sclerotic disbarred lawyer spews stolen ideas and states them as the dog's
This dog steals, steals and steals other peoples' ideas posting them here as the dog's own. This sick dog claims to be the most intellectual sick fck, kettle and pot-- NO SHAME!! LOL
Politikus
2008-10-04 06:07:50 UTC
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Post by unknown
someway along the line, the implmentation of the policy went haywire and very
many rich malays make very many rich chinamen. they have been on this endless
loop for too long.
Fortunately and unfortunately, the infinite loop has found an end
point - in UMNO's disintegration... ;-p

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Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
2008-10-04 16:13:42 UTC
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Post by unknown
giving. That way the bumiputra30% will not lose, and the government
iinm that SHOULD be the way.
someway along the line, the implmentation of the policy went haywire and very
many rich malays make very many rich chinamen. they have been on this endless
loop for too long.
Since both races benefit from this corruption, no attempt is made to
change the implementation.

Malaysian politic is also controlled by rich Malays and Chinamen,
because voters only care about short term benefits, i.e. pocket money
during elections.

Making Malaysian economy laissez faire, such as what Bush
Administration is trying to do, is disastrous for nations, even as
large and resource rich as USA.

A nation needs the middle class much more than the rich and
competitive class. They are the engine of growth of a nation.

As to reasons, let Obama explains it. And better still the Democrats.

In the case of the USA, it is a simple case of upgrading the minority
Blacks and Hispanics, but in Malaysia, we have to upgrade the majority
Malays and Natives.

Honest and corrupt free, "affirmative action" is the only way forward,
or else we shall suffer the Bush syndrome.

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